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Originally Posted by -terabyte- View Post

Not at all, the cause is NOT a defective g-sync module:

Not all true. The refresh rate is not the only cause for the scanlines. It also occurs at 60Hz on some units. Ultimately, it is a defective G-Sync module that is not able to support variable refresh rates without exhibiting the scanlines onscreen. Regardless of any disagreement here as to the actual source of the issue, the end result and sad truth is that an RMA or exchange is the ONLY solution.
Edited by Ninjawithagun - 2/26/16 at 6:30am
post #302 of 3505
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Not at all, the cause is NOT a defective g-sync module:

That's just a description of how scanlines are created, and it doesn't state that all monitors suffer from it, which is why some may see it, others don't, but its does seem to vary in intensity from the various images I have seen. but I would put money on it, that if the problem gets narrowed down to one specific PCB or module, it will be in the ggsync module, or non gsync models, the video frame / sync circuitry...
post #303 of 3505
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From the sounds of what you are describing, I'd definitely consider an RMA.

In regard to Witcher 3.

My MoBo had a problem when I first got the PG348Q in that the primary GPU would only run in Gen2, the other three @ gen3. But that turned out to be a bios problem, reverted back to the previous release, problem solved. . So testing things like Tomb raider, Ultimate settings, no other changes, Vsync off, at 3440 x 1440, I was getting Min 87fps, average 96fps, Max 110fps, Now I am getting min 96, average 111.5, max 128fps. amazing the difference one card running at gen2 can make.

But I have tested witcher 3, and even with 4x Titans my system struggles on max settings and I'm getting around 20fps, really sad frown.gif but expected.

Its strange that a game like Crysis 3 can run at ultimate settings with a good fps rate on a 3440 x 1440, yet witcher 3 even on medium or low settings which makes the game look a lot worse graphically than crisis 3, still struggles, so i'd conclude from this that Crytek are much better coders, and better at optimising textures and poly count in games, than CD Projekt RED...

I've been tempted by the Titan X since its launch, and definitely need the extra vram for work, so would choose the Titan X over the 980ti, but 46% performance increase didn't seem worth the £4K to replace my old Titans. Now I am in a place where I wish I had upgraded to Titan X , but too close to Pascal, which after the GTC will most likely be getting a release date of late May / June IMO.

I really enjoyed witcher 2, haven't tested it on the new monitor, but I'm guessing it will have similar results, Crysis, Bio Indicate, dishonoured, Tomb Raider etc, all run at good fps, same about witcher 3. Its definitely that my system needs an upgrade, but I think its also that Projekt Red need to up their skills..

Should you decide to get the GTX980Ti instead of the Titan X (more so because of the cost difference), you will be happy to know that WItcher 3 can be played at max settings with a single GTX980Ti. I know because I own two GTX980Ti cards and don't have to enable SLI in order to get playable frame rates in Witcher 3! And yes, that's when playing at 3440 x 1440 resolution on my Acer X34 ;-)
post #304 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Ninjawithagun View Post

I wouldn't generalize and state that the scanline issue has been blown out of proportion for every single incident. Some monitors have the issue worse than others, so it comes down to a case-by-case basis. If you have to smash your face against the monitor to barely notice the scanlines vs. being able to see them easily from 3-5 feet away, then it could be argued an RMA may not be necessary. But, I do agree that at this price point, the monitor should be near perfect and not have the same defects as monitors that are almost half the price.

I didn't state every single incident, the majority that I've seen are making a fuss over something not seen from normal viewing distances, but there are defiantly a few that are not acceptable.
post #305 of 3505
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Originally Posted by SRPlus View Post

From the sounds of what you are describing, I'd definitely consider an RMA.

In regard to Witcher 3.

My MoBo had a problem when I first got the PG348Q in that the primary GPU would only run in Gen2, the other three @ gen3. But that turned out to be a bios problem, reverted back to the previous release, problem solved. . So testing things like Tomb raider, Ultimate settings, no other changes, Vsync off, at 3440 x 1440, I was getting Min 87fps, average 96fps, Max 110fps, Now I am getting min 96, average 111.5, max 128fps. amazing the difference one card running at gen2 can make.

But I have tested witcher 3, and even with 4x Titans my system struggles on max settings and I'm getting around 20fps, really sad frown.gif but expected.

Its strange that a game like Crysis 3 can run at ultimate settings with a good fps rate on a 3440 x 1440, yet witcher 3 even on medium or low settings which makes the game look a lot worse graphically than crisis 3, still struggles, so i'd conclude from this that Crytek are much better coders, and better at optimising textures and poly count in games, than CD Projekt RED...

I've been tempted by the Titan X since its launch, and definitely need the extra vram for work, so would choose the Titan X over the 980ti, but 46% performance increase didn't seem worth the £4K to replace my old Titans. Now I am in a place where I wish I had upgraded to Titan X , but too close to Pascal, which after the GTC will most likely be getting a release date of late May / June IMO.

I really enjoyed witcher 2, haven't tested it on the new monitor, but I'm guessing it will have similar results, Crysis, Bio Indicate, dishonoured, Tomb Raider etc, all run at good fps, same about witcher 3. Its definitely that my system needs an upgrade, but I think its also that Projekt Red need to up their skills..

Gotta admit I would have thought 4 Way Titan's would have faired slightly better. You hitting the Vram limit? I would have thought you would be fine at normal 3440 x 1440, but can't easily tell whats actually needed and whats just being cached to the memory as its there.

Yeah Titan X's are demolishing the Witcher 3 at the moment. Currently on 3 way, and everything possible maxed out including hairworks and 8 x AA on the hair and what not and maintains 100 fps with stock clocks. Have seen it drop to the high 80's for few secs here and there but nothing an overclock would not solve, but as you can imagine, G-Sync steps in anyways and I do not realise unless I have the fps counter on. Its ridiculous how smooth in general G-sync and 100hz feel on games in general.

But yeah I would wait for Pascal at this stage, Hopefully the big guns come out sooner rather then later. .
     
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post #306 of 3505
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what you or I "think". It's all about if the owner has a unit that exhibits this issue and whether or not they can tolerate it. Each individual must decide the course of action. We can plead all day long that the issue isn't significant, or that it can 'barely' be seen, etc. They are the ones who paid $1300 for the monitor, so they must decide what to do.
post #307 of 3505
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Originally Posted by SRPlus View Post

That's just a description of how scanlines are created, and it doesn't state that all monitors suffer from it, which is why some may see it, others don't, but its does seem to vary in intensity from the various images I have seen. but I would put money on it, that if the problem gets narrowed down to one specific PCB or module, it will be in the ggsync module, or non gsync models, the video frame / sync circuitry...

That is what I think, everyone has scan lines however some people might have one where you cannot see it, however other people might have some where you can see it but it is faint and then some people have really bad scan lines

Also high end Pascal is not coming out June, mid end Pascal is coming Q3/Q4 2016 and then high end Pascal Q1/Q2 2017 smile.gif
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Gotta admit I would have thought 4 Way Titan's would have faired slightly better. You hitting the Vram limit? I would have thought you would be fine at normal 3440 x 1440, but can't easily tell whats actually needed and whats just being cached to the memory as its there.

Yeah Titan X's are demolishing the Witcher 3 at the moment. Currently on 3 way, and everything possible maxed out including hairworks and 8 x AA on the hair and what not and maintains 100 fps with stock clocks. Have seen it drop to the high 80's for few secs here and there but nothing an overclock would not solve, but as you can imagine, G-Sync steps in anyways and I do not realise unless I have the fps counter on. Its ridiculous how smooth in general G-sync and 100hz feel on games in general.

But yeah I would wait for Pascal at this stage, Hopefully the big guns come out sooner rather then later. .

mmmmmm.....Pascal....yummy...

lol
post #309 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Ninjawithagun View Post

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what you or I "think". It's all about if the owner has a unit that exhibits this issue and whether or not they can tolerate it. Each individual must decide the course of action. We can plead all day long that the issue isn't significant, or that it can 'barely' be seen, etc. They are the ones who paid $1300 for the monitor, so they must decide what to do.

Well it will be 25th March before the UK gets any more stock and my scan lines are so faint (have to put my nose to the screen and I cannot see them while playing Witcher 3 at 30 FPS) so I think I will keep it (I have nearly no backlight bleed/IPS glow as well) unless the scan lines get worse
post #310 of 3505
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Originally Posted by Metros View Post

Well it will be 25th March before the UK gets any more stock and my scan lines are so faint (have to put my nose to the screen and I cannot see them while playing Witcher 3 at 30 FPS) so I think I will keep it (I have nearly no backlight bleed/IPS glow as well) unless the scan lines get worse

Just make sure to keep an eye on that item return policy window...set an alarm on your smartphone or something... ;-)
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