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2/14/16 at 6:57pm
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Firstly:
I have ran out of SATA3 ports on EVGA X99 FTW / CPU- Intel i7 5930k

Secondly:
I have RAID0 w/ 4 Western Digital Blacks with IRST

My dilemma:
I need to add a SATA3 card, so will it be worth while to use a raid card like this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816151212
I know the standard cheap cards simply add ports, the CPU, and sys memory takes on the workload.
but with this card having Chip, and ram will there be an improvement over just using a PCIe Sata card.

I fear a cheap card will render bad results.

this is what I'm getting on the X99 onboard SATA3
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Short answer is no. Long answer is you may see slightly better performance over one of those 20 dollar Syba cards or similar junk simply because those cards suck so bad. But, you are paying about 3 times what you have to to get a real RAID card with ROC and memory when you won't be using any of that (and won't be able to; you can't use the RAID with deviscs attached to your other SATA ports).

Since you just need to add more ports, the best performance you are going to get is going to come from any name brand (LSI, Areca, Adaptec, etc.) host bus adapter. To give an example, the LSI 9211 8i in my signature is flashed to IT mode such that it simply presents the disks directly to the OS without any interference, there isn't even a driver installed.. Other than support and build quality, the primary difference between this and one of the "cheapo" cards is this will give you a full PCIE 2.0 lane per port while the cheap cards tend to use one lane for the entire card.

If you just want to add sata ports, thats what I would do, you can add 8 ports for under 100 dollars that way, then just get SAS to SATA breakout cables and you're all set.
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2/22/16 at 8:53pm
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Thanks for the reply it is very appreciated.

My plan was to move the current raid0 to the true raid card.
that would free up 4 ports on the motherboard,
with hopes that a true raid card such as the one I mentioned with chip and ram would increase the performance.

But I guess the performance gain would not be worth the cost of the areca ARC-1215-4i PCIe3.0 for $329.00us

I was hoping there would be some beneficial gain moving to a true raid vs. Intel Raid.
I guess the Intel X99 is not bottlenecking the hard drives performance. Maybe my expectations are to high.

Thanks again for replying..
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Short answer is no. Long answer is you may see slightly better performance over one of those 20 dollar Syba cards or similar junk simply because those cards suck so bad. But, you are paying about 3 times what you have to to get a real RAID card with ROC and memory when you won't be using any of that (and won't be able to; you can't use the RAID with deviscs attached to your other SATA ports).

Since you just need to add more ports, the best performance you are going to get is going to come from any name brand (LSI, Areca, Adaptec, etc.) host bus adapter. To give an example, the LSI 9211 8i in my signature is flashed to IT mode such that it simply presents the disks directly to the OS without any interference, there isn't even a driver installed.. Other than support and build quality, the primary difference between this and one of the "cheapo" cards is this will give you a full PCIE 2.0 lane per port while the cheap cards tend to use one lane for the entire card.

If you just want to add sata ports, thats what I would do, you can add 8 ports for under 100 dollars that way, then just get SAS to SATA breakout cables and you're all set.
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2/23/16 at 4:53am
If you're only interested in RAID0 don't really bother with full blown RAID controller.

Keep in mind that you can't simply move array to new card. Card must first initialize drives and write manufacturer meta-data to each drive (basically - all data lost and reformat array). Loading RAID kernel during boot process takes about 60 seconds - if you don't want to wait, just stay away. And most important, you'll waste bags of cash. Buying RAID controller to just run R0 is nuts in the extreme. RAID10 is basically standard array type, not denying you can't run one array 0 and 3x 10. But same bandwidth limitations apply as with on-board "fake raid". You won't magically get performance of NVMe.

And one other thing. Word of warning about RAID controllers and X99. Had some issues with it, had to buy new controller (series 8 Adaptec) because firmware was not compatible with X99 chipset (on previous 7 series). To this day there is no fix for that. I've read plenty of horror stories about RAID controllers and X99. It's a bit idiotic but not a single vendor certified cards to run on X99, so you have no support on this matter. All certification ended at X79, because officially X99 is not server chipset, but neither was 79 or 58 which were certified... Anyone see any, however microscopic, logic in this reasoning? rolleyes.gif
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2/23/16 at 1:05pm
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I have successfully moved raids before, but I don't recommend it, I usually install new raid drivers, then create an image and move it that way.
I learned to install the raid drivers on the old raid first before creating the image, or slipstream them.

I have moved this raid0 from X58 to X99, and has run on Windows 7/8/10 never failed. also using write back cache..
It's a shame the RAID cards will not work.

Maybe Intel has it down pretty good, I guess I can't complain I'm getting great performance..

It would be nice to use a card with it's own chip, and memory to relieve the workload from the CPU.
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