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Hello, I'm upgrading my 7 year old pre built HP again. Last time I upgraded the GPU and Power supply to an Asus gtx 780 and a Cooler Master V650S. But now I'm thinking of upgrading it again, specifically my CPU, motherboard, ram sticks and getting my own case instead of the ugly HP case, but i'm terrible at almost everything that has to do with PC parts etc.

Even tho I've been a hardcore gamer for about 7 years (When I got the PC) So I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a motherboard, CPU and ram sticks. I have no idea whatsoever about the motherboard because the parts need to be able to fit and I'm not any good at that.

For my CPU I've been thinking about getting an Intel Core i7-4790K. So I need a motherboard to fit that CPU. For RAM i've been thinking about HyperX Beast DDR3 2400MHz 16GB, I might stick with my old RAM sticks if there's no need to upgrade. I don't have any info about them except what it says on the HP page. (Amount: 8GB (2x4) Speed: PC3-10600 MB/sec) But as I said, I have no idea about this so all suggestions are welcome.

I only need a motherboard that supports 1 video card, so if that's cheaper than to get a motherboard that supports 2 or more video cards I would rather go for one that supports 1 video card. I'm guessing my current power supply is still good enough to run these upgrades but correct me if I'm wrong.

Also just a side question, would the standard fan/heatsink that comes with the i7-4790k be enough if I'm not going to overclock it? The site I'm using to buy parts is https://www.komplett.no/ by the way. It's a Norwegian site so everything is in Norwegian, but you should still be able to search and see if parts are avaible there by using the search bar at the top middle.
Edited by T4lyX - 2/15/16 at 8:58am
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The standard heat sink included would be enough if you do not overclock. Also, if the system is primarily for gaming, I'd let the RAM be 8GB as there is no tangible performance from going to more RAM. What is your budget for the board and would you prefer buying used or would it be a new system ? Also, are you facing problems in any games on your current system as the launch of new platform from AMD & Intels should be later this year and if you plan to keep the system for longer, It'd not be wise to invest in an old platform,
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The standard heat sink included would be enough if you do not overclock. Also, if the system is primarily for gaming, I'd let the RAM be 8GB as there is no tangible performance from going to more RAM. What is your budget for the board and would you prefer buying used or would it be a new system ? Also, are you facing problems in any games on your current system as the launch of new platform from AMD & Intels should be later this year and if you plan to keep the system for longer, It'd not be wise to invest in an old platform,
My current budget is around $1160, that's for everything. I'm buying new components from that site I was talking about, and after these last upgrades it will technically be a new PC. I'm only facing problems in CPU dependent games, like DayZ and Ark etc. Also the PC has been having some lag issues while only being on the desktop so I think there's something wrong with the current CPU. (This is very rare however)
Edited by T4lyX - 2/15/16 at 8:47am
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These are the cheapest but good parts i could find on that site.


Your old PSU is really good, keep it.

Make sure to include a SSD in your other parts like harddrive, dvd player etc. etc.
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These are the cheapest but good parts i could find on that site.


Your old PSU is really good, keep it.

Make sure to include a SSD in your other parts like harddrive, dvd player etc. etc.
Alright, thanks that looks really good. Yeah I already have those other parts in my current HP. If you don't mind me asking, I've always wondered this. Feel free to point me in any direction with a link if you don't feel like explaining. I probably wont understand much though. But what should one look for when buying a CPU? Because in my mind a more GHZ is better, that's probably not the case at all. So in my eyes the one I chose looks better to me because it had more GHZ. So how is the one you chose better? I'm not saying that you are wrong I'm just interested in knowing why so I might be able to find stuff myself in the future smile.gif
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Lag issues are not definitive of a processor issue. Often times telling windows not to run as many programs in the background at startup does the trick. For 7/vista, click start, runbox type "msconfig" without quotes. Choose the startup tab. Uncheck anything that's not hardware or security related and you'll probably notice a significant improvement in your computers response time.

As a fellow gamer and 4790K owner, I can say I don't think you will regret your purchase. I've no experience with the stock cooler. My previous i7 overheated with the stock cooler so I bought a Noctua air cooler that I transferred to the 4790k when I built it. (Overclocked to 4.7 ghz at 1.27 voltage. These chips seem to have a sweet spot for 4.7 ghz. It's possible to go higher but 4.8 Ghz seems to require overvolting). If your a patient person you could wait for the new cpus to launch later in the year and save some money for a nice monitor, mechanical keyboard, mouse, the fun stuff...

If your buying a tower get a full sized for better air flow. If your not buying a tower, find out what size tower you currently have (mini/mid/full) and make sure the motherboard your buying supports it.

1200$ seems overkill for just a motherboard, processor and case. I built a similar system for $1,000 late in 2015
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Lag issues are not definitive of a processor issue. Often times telling windows not to run as many programs in the background at startup does the trick. For 7/vista, click start, runbox type "msconfig" without quotes. Choose the startup tab. Uncheck anything that's not hardware or security related and you'll probably notice a significant improvement in your computers response time.

As a fellow gamer and 4790K owner, I can say I don't think you will regret your purchase. I've no experience with the stock cooler. My previous i7 overheated with the stock cooler so I bought a Noctua air cooler that I transferred to the 4790k when I built it. (Overclocked to 4.7 ghz at 1.27 voltage. These chips seem to have a sweet spot for 4.7 ghz. It's possible to go higher but 4.8 Ghz seems to require overvolting). If your a patient person you could wait for the new cpus to launch later in the year and save some money for a nice monitor, mechanical keyboard, mouse, the fun stuff...

If your buying a tower get a full sized for better air flow. If your not buying a tower, find out what size tower you currently have (mini/mid/full) and make sure the motherboard your buying supports it.

1200$ seems overkill for just a motherboard, processor and case. I built a similar system for $1,000 late in 2015
I have formated my PC so there was nothing on it at all, and it still happened from time to time. It's completely random. Last time it went on for 2 days. Now it hasn't happened for over a week. And yeah I realize that budget is a bit overkill. But that was just the maximum I was gonna pay for an upgrade, I'm probably gonna get a new HDD and SSD as well but I can find that myself. I've been thinking of this case https://www.komplett.no/product/781841/datautstyr/kabinetterbarebone/big-tower/cm-storm-trooper-gaming-big-tower-sort
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I wouldn't be surprised if your laggy performance is partly due to windows 10 incessant logging activity.

The pcpartipicker site can help a little at least with compatibility checking.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JkBxnQ

That storm tropper is a monster of a case and expensive too. Since you only want a single gpu, you could probably save a few bucks on the case if you wanted to.
https://www.komplett.no/product/775816/datautstyr/kabinetterbarebone/midi-tower/cm-storm-scout-ii-advanced-gaming-sort
https://www.komplett.no/product/803752/datautstyr/kabinetterbarebone/midi-tower/corsair-graphite-230t-midi-tower-sort#
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I'm not going to overclock it?

Why not? It's a pretty big upgrade to do so.

If your current i7 were overclocked to 4Ghz, you might not be complaining about sluggish cpu performance.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1591134/i5-750-to-i7-870#post_24890407
I'm not suggesting you invest in overclocking your current hardware instead of buying new, that's not even an option because your current mobo doesn't support overclocking.

But I am suggesting you get new hardware that will allow you to overclock your new system. A couple years down the road, the system you buy today can handily outperform newer non-overclocked systems and games designed with the performance of the those newer systems in mind will run fine you yours for years to come.

You need a cooler to let you do that, a decent tower air cooler will do.
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I wouldn't be surprised if your laggy performance is partly due to windows 10 incessant logging activity.

The pcpartipicker site can help a little at least with compatibility checking.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JkBxnQ

That storm tropper is a monster of a case and expensive too. Since you only want a single gpu, you could probably save a few bucks on the case if you wanted to.
https://www.komplett.no/product/775816/datautstyr/kabinetterbarebone/midi-tower/cm-storm-scout-ii-advanced-gaming-sort
https://www.komplett.no/product/803752/datautstyr/kabinetterbarebone/midi-tower/corsair-graphite-230t-midi-tower-sort#
Why not? It's a pretty big upgrade to do so.

If your current i7 were overclocked to 4Ghz, you might not be complaining about sluggish cpu performance.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1591134/i5-750-to-i7-870#post_24890407
I'm not suggesting you invest in overclocking your current hardware instead of buying new, that's not even an option because your current mobo doesn't support overclocking.

But I am suggesting you get new hardware that will allow you to overclock your new system. A couple years down the road, the system you buy today can handily outperform newer non-overclocked systems and games designed with the performance of the those newer systems in mind will run fine you yours for years to come.

You need a cooler to let you do that, a decent tower air cooler will do.
Overclocking and all that stuff has always seemed to scary for me, I'm too afraid to break something. Also I have no idea how to set up cooling. I only picked that tower because of Ratings and I thought it looked good. So I'm open to suggestions. Also the other guy said to go for a big tower for better airflow.
Edited by T4lyX - 2/15/16 at 10:31am
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Overclocking and all that stuff has always seemed to scary for me, I'm too afraid to break something. Also I have no idea how to set up cooling. I only picked that tower because of Ratings and I thought it looked good. So I'm open to suggestions. Also the other guy said to go for a big tower for better airflow.

If you are not gonna be overclocking at all don't buy a K processor, the difference between the K and non K version is only that is unlocked and a some buck more on the price. So save those for a aftermarket cooler or to buy a bigger case.

If i were you i would by:

i7 4970 (if you want to keep your RAM)
or
i7 6700 (if you gonna buy new RAM and go with DDR4)

H97 motherboard that have the things you need (mind size of the motherboard and brand)
or
H110 motherboard if going with Skylake (the same recommendation, size and brand)

If you only need 1 PCI slot of the GPU and don't have any other card you could go with a ITX motherboard and buy a smaller case, something like a Silverstone SG13B that can fit an ATX PSU without problem.

For cooling if you are going on the ITX route you should buy an CORSAIR H80i GT. If not with a 212 EVO you should have enought.

Cheers.
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