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yes i often heard that kind of 'did it all' statements on OCN and i still dont accept them, numbers or bust.
i mean dpi of 1080p and 1440p

And how many of those come from established experts in a given niche who run their own successful website? Hmm.... Never mind, no skin off my nose if you choose to ignore what people are telling you in this thread. I suggest you either pay attention to what people are telling you or get out there or test it for yourself. I don't see how 'numbers' are going to help you and if you think I'm going to sit here and list dozens of numbers (when you can do the legwork yourself with the screen sizes I've already listed) you're mistaken.
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yes i often heard that kind of 'did it all' statements on OCN and i still dont accept them, numbers or bust.
i mean dpi of 1080p and 1440p

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Well, you are kind of asking for opinions here. You cant put a number on what your eyes perceive because people perceive things in different ways. Theres guys here who have compared far more stuff then me.

My opinion then if its any use: I didnt use DSR very much when I had a 1920 x1200 24 inch monitor, the reason being on my GTX 780 at the time it didnt perform as well and it really didnt look that much better to me at all.

I wasnt blown away when I went to a 25 inch 2560x1440, but it's definitlely an improvement in action games. Bearing in mind that I didnt want to go to a 27 inch 1440 because I played with them and didnt feel that the image quality was much better then 24 inch 1080p, when you were comparing decent screens. 27inch 1080 to 27 1440 is going to be much more noticeable.

Having used a 1440 monitor when you go back 1080p does look worse then it used to. Whether its worth it is subjective, the best thing to do is see a friends 1440 monitor or go to a shop where you can demo it. Worst case scenario you can order one and send it back if youre not happy when comparing side by side and you can judge with your own eyes, because numbers really arent going to help.
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Well, you are kind of asking for opinions here. You cant put a number on what your eyes perceive because people perceive things in different ways. Theres guys here who have compared far more stuff then me.
well you can put a number on the density of the 'experienced' screens , it is the DPi/PPI, this alone defines the 'clarity'
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My opinion then if its any use: I didnt use DSR very much when I had a 1920 x1200 24 inch monitor, the reason being on my GTX 780 at the time it didnt perform as well and it really didnt look that much better to me at all.

I wasnt blown away when I went to a 25 inch 2560x1440, but it's definitlely an improvement in action games. Bearing in mind that I didnt want to go to a 27 inch 1440 because I played with them and didnt feel that the image quality was much better then 24 inch 1080p, when you were comparing decent screens. 27inch 1080 to 27 1440 is going to be much more noticeable.

Having used a 1440 monitor when you go back 1080p does look worse then it used to. Whether its worth it is subjective, the best thing to do is see a friends 1440 monitor or go to a shop where you can demo it. Worst case scenario you can order one and send it back if youre not happy when comparing side by side and you can judge with your own eyes, because numbers really arent going to help.
Ok you have something to say, fine but please don't be surprised if i still ask some things later because i'm not sure then if you talk(ed) about DSRed 1080p or not when comparing with 1440p (and with different DPI).
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Having used a 1440 monitor when you go back 1080p does look worse then it used to. Whether its worth it is subjective
Hence need for comparison
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s see a friends 1440 monitor
Not any of my friends have that kind of screen, some still play on 1600x900 (gtx 760)
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go to a shop where you can demo it
no real 'technical' PC shop around (hence no 1440p or 4k stuff)
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Worst case scenario you can order one and send it back if youre not happy when comparing side by side and you can judge with your own eyes, because numbers really arent going to help.
Worst case scenario indeed, but i DO think numbers are going to help as i could compare the DPI+DSR values with some devices i already own (ie 440 dpi S4, current 91 ppi 1080p 24" screen, old crappy 13" netbook with low res,,,....etc)
 
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well you can put a number on the density of the 'experienced' screens , it is the DPi/PPI, this alone defines the 'clarity'
Ok you have something to say, fine but please don't be surprised if i still ask some things later because i'm not sure then if you talk(ed) about DSRed 1080p or not when comparing with 1440p (and with different DPI).
Hence need for comparison
Not any of my friends have that kind of screen, some still play on 1600x900 (gtx 760)
no real 'technical' PC shop around (hence no 1440p or 4k stuff)
Worst case scenario indeed, but i DO think numbers are going to help as i could compare the DPI+DSR values with some devices i already own (ie 440 dpi S4, current 91 ppi 1080p 24" screen, old crappy 13" netbook with low res,,,....etc)

I had a 1920x1200 IPS screen at 24 inches. It was an Asus VS24AH-P. I now have a 25 inch Dell U2515h at 1440. IIRC the pixel density on the Asus was 94 and my current screen is about 117. Theres a PPI calc somewhere you can get the exact numbers if you want, its a difference and it's nice but it's not night and day in games as some people think, to me.

My DSR experience, it really didnt do anything much for me so I only tried it a couple of times, and this was a year ago maybe. Native 1440 looks better then DSR did as I recall, if DSR had really made me feel it was worth it I wouldnt have bought a new monitor.

I'm not sure you can talk about PPI with reference to DSR? It doesnt change the pixel density of the screen, that impossible, it only smooths the edges and improves the clarity of the textures AFAIK, but I'll leave that to a real expert to answer smile.gif
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You don't even deserve any further response or acknowledgement from me, but you're really not getting this so I'll help you out. You've already stated, just above, that it's all about pixel density. And you've had it explained to you from people with considerable experience of DSR that DSR does not equate to a higher pixel density. Because it does nothing to change that... Ergo, you can quantify pixel density, but you can't quantify 'how good DSR looks' in that way. It depends on the user's sensitivity, eyesight and viewing distance.

I have personally used DSR on monitors with Full HD and higher resolutions of every screen size you can imagine between 21.5" and 40". If you want some numbers, here you go:

A nice 23.6" Full HD AD-PLS monitor has a pixel density of 93.34 PPI. If you use as much DSR as you like, it still doesn't look as good to my keen eyes from a reasonable viewing distance (<80cm) as a 27" WQHD model with a pixel density of 108.79 PPI. Unless perhaps the game was older and had very simple textures and whatnot. That shouldn't come as a surprise given that the pixel density itself hasn't actually changed! And it goes without saying that if you're comparing to models with a UHD resolution you simply won't achieve anywhere near the same clarity or detail levels on that 23.6" Full HD monitor.

Oh and by the way, Amazon.fr have an excellent returns policy. So you have no excuse for not 'seeing for yourself'.
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I had a 1920x1200 IPS screen at 24 inches. It was an Asus VS24AH-P. I now have a 25 inch Dell U2515h at 1440. IIRC the pixel density on the Asus was 94 and my current screen is about 117. Theres a PPI calc somewhere you can get the exact numbers if you want, its a difference and it's nice but it's not night and day in games as some people think, to me.

My DSR experience, it really didnt do anything much for me so I only tried it a couple of times, and this was a year ago maybe. Native 1440 looks better then DSR did as I recall, if DSR had really made me feel it was worth it I wouldnt have bought a new monitor.

I'm not sure you can talk about PPI with reference to DSR? It doesnt change the pixel density of the screen, that impossible, it only smooths the edges and improves the clarity of the textures AFAIK, but I'll leave that to a real expert to answer smile.gif
ok thanks for the info. too bad you cant directly compare.

Maybe the games you played didnt benefit much from DSR ?

nah no direct link PPI<->DSR

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Ergo, you can quantify pixel density, but you can't quantify 'how good DSR looks' in that way. It depends on the user's sensitivity, eyesight and viewing distance.
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A nice 23.6" Full HD AD-PLS monitor has a pixel density of 93.34 PPI. If you use as much DSR as you like, it still doesn't look as good to my keen eyes from a reasonable viewing distance (<80cm) as a 27" WQHD model with a pixel density of 108.79 PPI. Unless perhaps the game was older and had very simple textures and whatnot. That shouldn't come as a surprise given that the pixel density itself hasn't actually changed! And it goes without saying that if you're comparing to models with a UHD resolution you simply won't achieve anywhere near the same clarity or detail levels on that 23.6" Full HD monitor.
Ok thanks for the opinion

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time consuming ? effort consuming ? money consuming ?
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You don't even deserve any further response or acknowledgement from me, but you're really not getting this so I'll help you out. You've already stated, just above, that it's all about pixel density. And you've had it explained to you from people with considerable experience of DSR that DSR does not equate to a higher pixel density. Because it does nothing to change that... Ergo, you can quantify pixel density, but you can't quantify 'how good DSR looks' in that way. It depends on the user's sensitivity, eyesight and viewing distance.

I have personally used DSR on monitors with Full HD and higher resolutions of every screen size you can imagine between 21.5" and 40". If you want some numbers, here you go:

A nice 23.6" Full HD AD-PLS monitor has a pixel density of 93.34 PPI. If you use as much DSR as you like, it still doesn't look as good to my keen eyes from a reasonable viewing distance (<80cm) as a 27" WQHD model with a pixel density of 108.79 PPI. Unless perhaps the game was older and had very simple textures and whatnot. That shouldn't come as a surprise given that the pixel density itself hasn't actually changed! And it goes without saying that if you're comparing to models with a UHD resolution you simply won't achieve anywhere near the same clarity or detail levels on that 23.6" Full HD monitor.

Oh and by the way, Amazon.fr have an excellent returns policy. So you have no excuse for not 'seeing for yourself'.

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Consider this:
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-ppi increase isn't really noticeable from a thresold (say 70-80)
-then 1080p 2X DSR looks like native 1440p because of game engine
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^^ Images showing the effect of DSR are wonderful and all, but how can you compare that to differing pixel densities? Without seeing the effect first hand, you can't. It needs to be explained in words, which is not quantitative but rather qualitative analysis. I think people here have spent enough time and effort trying to explain things to you. And if you can't accept/understand this and don't want to go to what really is minimal effort to buy a monitor for yourself and return if not satisfied or simply because (it's free and they arrange everything for you, by the way) then you're on your own.
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