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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I know the OP is strictly about VR but I am more so arguing against your earlier, more broad statement that you can have a CPU bottleneck at high resolutions. With the state of current GPU development this is simply not true if you have even a halfway decent CPU (sure you can create a bottleneck if you use a Pentium or some crap but come on). Current video cards are simply not strong enough to create significant CPU-bound situations at 1440p or higher.

Now as it applies to VR I can see your point somewhat as you're right in saying that frame rate will be more important to the typical VR customer than is resolution and at 1080p you can certainly create CPU bottlenecks with higher end GPU's but that was never what I was arguing against in the first place...

Well I think that it completely depends on the framerate you are shooting for. 1440p has monitors that are 100+hz capable and slower CPU's are going to start to show their wear up around those framerates. At 4k I would completely agree with you because there isn't anything above 60hz yet.
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Well I think that it completely depends on the framerate you are shooting for. 1440p has monitors that are 100+hz capable and slower CPU's are going to start to show their wear up around those framerates. At 4k I would completely agree with you because there isn't anything above 60hz yet.

 

Yeh, at 60Hz 4K with Fiji crossfire my swapping around an 8320, 3770k, and 6700k is primarily a benchmark/vanity upgrade. As that changes so will the push on the CPU, no doubt.

     
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Heh, with the new drivers, gotta go and retest today biggrin.gif I hope some 5% improvement at least.
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post #404 of 467
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I know the OP is strictly about VR but I am more so arguing against your earlier, more broad statement that you can have a CPU bottleneck at high resolutions. With the state of current GPU development this is simply not true if you have even a halfway decent CPU (sure you can create a bottleneck if you use a Pentium or some crap but come on). Current video cards are simply not strong enough to create significant CPU-bound situations at 1440p or higher.

Now as it applies to VR I can see your point somewhat as you're right in saying that frame rate will be more important to the typical VR customer than is resolution and at 1080p you can certainly create CPU bottlenecks with higher end GPU's but that was never what I was arguing against in the first place...

You can easily run into CPU bottlenecks above 1080p at triple digit framerates. Ask anyone with a 1440p 144hz monitor. Even with a single GPU it happens in many games.

What you're arguing is that performance will be so bad due to GPU's not keeping up that you won't see the CPU lagging behind.

If you want to run the game at 100fps, the CPU can handle 80fps but the GPU's are only running the game at 50fps, you'll never see the CPU not being able to keep the neccesary level of performance. Your CPU still can't achieve that level of performance, you're just being held back even further by another part failing more.
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so I was playing around in the file system, trying to change the resolution to the vive's native resolution. No luck so far, but I did discover that the test in run 1058x588, which is ~25% of the vive's resolution.
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You can easily run into CPU bottlenecks above 1080p at triple digit framerates. Ask anyone with a 1440p 144hz monitor. Even with a single GPU it happens in many games.

What you're arguing is that performance will be so bad due to GPU's not keeping up that you won't see the CPU lagging behind.

If you want to run the game at 100fps, the CPU can handle 80fps but the GPU's are only running the game at 50fps, you'll never see the CPU not being able to keep the neccesary level of performance. Your CPU still can't achieve that level of performance, you're just being held back even further by another part failing more.

How can it be considered a CPU bottleneck if the GPU can't perform fast enough to show it??? Fact is there is not a single card in existence right now that can do anywhere near enough FPS to saturate a 144Hz 1440p monitor in games like Crysis 3 regardless of who has one. Do you happen to have proof of all these "many games" that are held back, not by the video card but by the CPU at high resolutions? I'd be interested to see it (and to alter my opinions accordingly if available).
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How can it be considered a CPU bottleneck if the GPU can't perform fast enough to show it??? Fact is there is not a single card in existence right now that can do anywhere near enough FPS to saturate a 144Hz 1440p monitor in games like Crysis 3 regardless of who has one. Do you happen to have proof of all these "many games" that are held back, not by the video card but by the CPU at high resolutions? I'd be interested to see it (and to alter my opinions accordingly if available).

295x2 can hit 100fps with high settings and FXAA @1440, drop those settings a tad and you could easily hit 140 fps at 1440p.

I know that is a dual GPU card but its still technically 1 card lol. I stated earlier in the thread, I have seen 83xx series CPUs bottleneck single 290xs at 1440p. If they are highly overclocked they will not be, at 4ghz they will. Same goes for Intel a I5 4460, will bottleneck a Titan X at 1440p, no question.

"It is a CPU bottleneck when the GPU can show it", I have helped lots of people on these forums with CPU bottlenecks, alot of them had 83XX CPUs and 290/xs. Some of those people raised the resolutions to 1440p (via VSR however) and still had a bottleneck, which was obvious as there results were lower than others and and there fps barely went up.
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So, tested yesterday the 16.2 drivers. Fidelity score jumped from 6.7 to 7. Used VRAM dropped with 400mb. And thats all actually.
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Odd my 8350 stock and 2 280xs are capable

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How can it be considered a CPU bottleneck if the GPU can't perform fast enough to show it??? Fact is there is not a single card in existence right now that can do anywhere near enough FPS to saturate a 144Hz 1440p monitor in games like Crysis 3 regardless of who has one. Do you happen to have proof of all these "many games" that are held back, not by the video card but by the CPU at high resolutions? I'd be interested to see it (and to alter my opinions accordingly if available).

If 2 CPU's do not provide the same FPS, using the same GPU, then you have a CPU bottleneck, all of this is common knowledge.







1440p




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