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What is understood need not be discussed. wink.gif

Maybe oculus ( or vr in general) will be what finally gives my i 7's enough of an edge for me to prefer one over my FX rigs - time will tell. Hope I have enough time left to see it become practical - operationally as well as financially lol.

I wonder if minesweeper has oculus support??? tongue.gif

I doubt it, there's no GPU strong enough to run it, and you'll run into CPU bottlenecks for sure biggrin.gif
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What is understood need not be discussed. wink.gif

Maybe oculus ( or vr in general) will be what finally gives my i 7's enough of an edge for me to prefer one over my FX rigs - time will tell. Hope I have enough time left to see it become practical - operationally as well as financially lol.

I wonder if minesweeper has oculus support??? tongue.gif

I doubt it, there's no GPU strong enough to run it, and you'll run into CPU bottlenecks for sure biggrin.gif

Mine sweeper...... ALL the cool kids play it smile.gif
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Yeah, a lot of people use the term bottleneck pretty loosely. You are always going to be limited by something, whether it is GPU, CPU, memory, or something else. So showing that a game scales with CPU speed shows that it is CPU limited, but at least to me, bottleneck implies a significant reduction in performance and not just a linear relationship. But other people see it other ways.

Similar to your example, is a 290X bottlenecking my 4790K because a faster GPU gives me higher speeds?

On a lot of games, yes. If everything in your system can handle 100fps but you're running at 70-80fps because of one component, that's still a bottleneck.

It's generally easier to see and relieve GPU bottlenecks because GPU's have been advancing faster and there is usually a much wider range of settings for GPU's. You can turn down settings until a weak card doesn't hold your performance back or you can turn up settings so that any card will be under huge demand.

That kind of selection for how much demand you want doesn't really exist for CPU's, so it's more important to have one that can provide the needed level of performance.
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On a lot of games, yes. If everything in your system can handle 100fps but you're running at 70-80fps because of one component, that's still a bottleneck.

It's generally easier to see and relieve GPU bottlenecks because GPU's have been advancing faster and there is usually a much wider range of settings for GPU's. You can turn down settings until a weak card doesn't hold your performance back or you can turn up settings so that any card will be under huge demand.

That kind of selection for how much demand you want doesn't really exist for CPU's, so it's more important to have one that can provide the needed level of performance.

And let me guess, the only way to fix your CPU bottleneck issue is to always buy the most expensive Intel CPU you can afford and call it a day? rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, a lot of people use the term bottleneck pretty loosely. You are always going to be limited by something, whether it is GPU, CPU, memory, or something else. So showing that a game scales with CPU speed shows that it is CPU limited, but at least to me, bottleneck implies a significant reduction in performance and not just a linear relationship. But other people see it other ways.

Similar to your example, is a 290X bottlenecking my 4790K because a faster GPU gives me higher speeds?

That's the same way that I personally use the term bottleneck. Taken too literally you'd just continue adding and replacing parts until you eventually built Skynet.

     
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And let me guess, the only way to fix your CPU bottleneck issue is to always buy the most expensive Intel CPU you can afford and call it a day? rolleyes.gif

Unfortunately there is no alternative when using high refresh rate displays until zen comes out.
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And let me guess, the only way to fix your CPU bottleneck issue is to always buy the most expensive Intel CPU you can afford and call it a day? rolleyes.gif

No, buy the best CPU that you can afford, in the case of gaming this is a 4c intel CPU yes, sorry that the fact is games dont use more than 4cs and that amd CPUs are not strong in gaming.

However that is reality so you can deny it, wish it wasnt true, try to belevie otherwise but the fact still remains.

However notice what I said there, as you said "the most expensive cpu you can buy" this goes both ways. A intel 5960x is not the best cpu for gaming either and actually performs worse than a CPU half the cost.

It comes down to the tool for the job. Sure there is multi but tools and they will work, however there is other that work better. In this instance an I7 6600k - i7 6700k, those are the best CPUs on the market atm period from a gaming standpoint. There is cheaper options from amd and intel and there is more expensive options from intel. However price doesnt matter, fact is those are the best end of story.
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Its funny because I personally have NEVER bought an AMD CPU simply because Intel's chips are obviously the best. My only point in all this is that at high resolutions CPU bottlenecks are rarely the issue for gamers as the GPU will almost always be the limiting factor. At 1080p, sure, you can easily create a CPU bottleneck with a high end card but at 1440p or higher your GPU(s) will rarely be drawing frames faster than the CPU can serve them up...
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Its funny because I personally have NEVER bought an AMD CPU simply because Intel's chips are obviously the best. My only point in all this is that at high resolutions CPU bottlenecks are rarely the issue for gamers as the GPU will almost always be the limiting factor. At 1080p, sure, you can easily create a CPU bottleneck with a high end card but at 1440p or higher your GPU(s) will rarely be drawing frames faster than the CPU can serve them up...

With most semi new Intel's that is true, however with like AMD 8320s not overclocked or barely overclocked, I have seen them bottleneck at 4k (well 3200, in VSR, that is a good way to test for a bottleneck for people that run 1080p).

I think the issue is that GPU tech has been increasing very rapidly as have games requirements where as CPUs have been stagant for quite awhile, hopefully Zen shows some competition so that changes. I think that is really the issue, AMD isnt putting up much of a fight in the CPU arena where as in the GPU sector they are. So intel has no reason to push tech faster, they can go slow and milk each release.
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And let me guess, the only way to fix your CPU bottleneck issue is to always buy the most expensive Intel CPU you can afford and call it a day? rolleyes.gif

No, buy the best CPU that you can afford, in the case of gaming this is a 4c intel CPU yes, sorry that the fact is use m games dontore than 4cs and that amd CPUs are not strong in gaming.

However that is reality so you can deny it, wish it wasnt true, try to belevie otherwise but the fact still remains.

However notice what I said there, as you said "the most expensive cpu you can buy" this goes both ways. A intel 5960x is not the best cpu for gaming either and actually performs worse than a CPU half the cost.

It comes down to the tool for the job. Sure there is multi but tools and they will work, however there is other that work better. In this instance an I7 6600k - i7 6700k, those are the best CPUs on the market atm period from a gaming standpoint. There is cheaper options from amd and intel and there is more expensive options from intel. However price doesnt matter, fact is those are the best end of story.

this may be educational for you smile.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1591786/just-in-case-you-thought-more-than-4-cores-wasnt-helpful-for-gaming
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