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There is one model, the VN248H whose full name is the VN248H-P; the -P is often left off when it is mentioned since it is meaningless. The Asus PB278Q is the only model they have updated, and they announced it as a new model in Europe (PB278QR) and changed the information on the PB278Q's web page to reflect the update which they have not done for the VN248H, so I highly doubt they updated it.

repd

Would you recommend a 4 year warranty for the Acer for $ 28?

I wonder what's up with Asus listing 3 of them separately... epeat gold for the "-P"? xD

https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Monitors/VN248H/

https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Monitors/VN248HA/

8 modes splendid?
low blue light?

https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/VN248HP/

Trace Free Tech or BS?
6 modes splendid

EDIT again:

btw did you test any chromecast/etc. for hdcp test for the G25? How would i test its HDCP thingy?

says "no" in their site buy maybe typo?

http://us-store.acer.com/g257hl-bmidx-monitor
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Most companies aside from Dell, HP and NEC's warranty support is awful which makes buying a third party warranty wise. I don't understand why you're obsessing over the VN248H when there are plenty of other reviews Flicker Free IPS with good image quality available in the same price range. Any LG will be fine, the Dell P and U series, HP 23CW, Samsung E series PLS, ect...though none of these offer 96% sRGB colour space coverage like the Acer G257HL and HP 25XW.

I don't use Chromecast, but everything I've tried (console games, blu-ray, youtube, etc) which requires HDCP works. It's extremely rare for a monitor to not support HDCP, and is not really a feature companies need to market since everything uses it.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 2/20/16 at 6:24am
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Most companies aside from Dell, HP and NEC's warranty support is awful which makes buying a third party warranty wise. I don't understand why you're obsessing over the VN248H when there are plenty of other reviews Flicker Free IPS with good image quality available in the same price range. Any LG will be fine, the Dell P and U series, HP 23CW, Samsung E series PLS, ect...though none of these offer 96% sRGB colour space coverage like the Acer G257HL and HP 25XW.

I don't use Chromecast, but everything I've tried (console games, blu-ray, youtube, etc) which requires HDCP works. It's extremely rare for a monitor to not support HDCP, and is not really a feature companies need to market since everything uses it.

It's about $ 20 cheaper and I'm such a cheap skate lmao.. and btw, thank you so much for bearing with me this whole while as I really appreciate it. Can't rep you enough!

I'm just a bit bummed that the others don't have 2 HDMIs, some no audio in and out nor built in speakers, then no VESA (might use VESA much later on).

U2414H was $ 190 a few weeks back and I decided not to get it.. didn't read much about PWM effects then. I like that it has front capacitive buttons.

For the U2414h, I wish it had volume controls on the front and built in speakers, read you need external devices to fix that (volume control 3.5mm extension) or the dell monitor sound bar ($ 20+?).

I also don't want to ad more clutter by buying HDMI switches.

I read some bad things about the OSD of the Acer, too but IDK.

I was able to snag the G257HL for $ 129.99 + $ 28 walmart warranty after price matching twice against newegg. $ 172-ish total.

Feel like the best route for me to go with is wait for BF 2016-Superbowl 2017 to get a decent TV for the price and also snag a 2016 GPU to replace my aging 5870. The TV will be used as a main monitor and I can tolerate up to 50 ms. My mom would adopt the 2333HD.

Having a remote is a huge, huge plus for me because I tweak volume, gamma and brightness a lot that's why a TV is very alluring compared to just a regular monitor.

I wish I didn't pass up on the Walmart refurbs of Vizio E48-C2 (E series best budget sets it seems for 2015). for a total of $ 370 including tax and 4 year warranty.

If I wasn't such a wuss and a cheapskate, I could probably just sell the monitor later for $ 100 but that's a $ 72 loss and I think I'd be so frustrated if I won't be able to sell it for that much. Also don't have experience with eBay nor Craigslist so I'd be quite nervous then probably frustrated.

Sorry. I'm just so obsessive and compulsive and want a decent panel NOW for a low, low price but really torn since I know waiting for another 6-7 months without a new toy.

Maybe I'll just go the evil route and get a TV at walmart for 3 months then return and another TV from Costco for another 3... LMAO just for Quantum Break, Uncharted 4 and Dark Souls 3. Ugh. I'm so terrible frown.gif
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Using the G257HL right now.

I now have a first hand experience with IPS Glow. It's terrible.

I tried changing the only two brightness settings the Acer has and it never fixes it. There is no Gamma option to tweak (PS4)
Even in CCC AMD, the gamma adjustment doesn't fix the IPS glow.

It's like some black crush where dark details are lost and by 6 year old TN absolutely destroys its performance in dark scenes.

I played MGS4 (PS4) and it's terrible at night. I can see more things on my TN panel (2333HD Samsung).

Also, it happens even at like 15 degrees off axis (IPS glow).

Our S-IPS LG 47LK520 TV from almost 5 years ago destroys this thing because I at least am able to adjust a lot of the settings to tweak for dark scenes. That's even a 4:2:2 tv.

Bad OSD confirmed; buttons don't seem well aligned to the osd and the power button needs to be further away or have a different size. Button feedback ain't great but not a big deal IMO. Can't change presets either, stuck with "User" as the only "preset" you can change and save. Our LG TV and Samsung TV-monitor allows different presets and all can be changed and saved.

This is only a $ 129 monitor though. I shouldn't probably be complaining.
Samsung I bought from about 5-6 years ago was $ 250.
LG was $ 749 (2011 mode).

Colors are better but I expected more from 8 bit/~96 sRGB.

Maybe I should try that Vizio E32-C1 TV (VA panel) for $ 220 as a replacement.

I just hope the VA don't destroy dark details like this G25.

I don't have proper calibration tools but I only had 2 settings for the monitor and my older displays don't exhibit this issue or as bad as this (IPS Glow).

10-20ms better input lag compared to my 2333HD when I took a vid and ran the input lag timer.
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The RGB Full/YCBCR settings need to be enabled in the AMD CCC and on the PS4 other wise the contrast will be reduced to <300:1 it it will have terrible glow. Non-Sony's use PWM. These articles contain settings for graphics cards and consoles:

https://pcmonitors.info/articles/correcting-hdmi-colour-on-nvidia-and-amd-gpus/
https://pcmonitors.info/articles/monitors-for-console-gaming/

You're also likely confusing proper gamma for black crush and overly dark colours versus the TN.
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The RGB Full/YCBCR settings need to be enabled in the AMD CCC and on the PS4 other wise the contrast will be reduced to <300:1 it it will have terrible glow. Non-Sony's use PWM. These articles contain settings for graphics cards and consoles:

https://pcmonitors.info/articles/correcting-hdmi-colour-on-nvidia-and-amd-gpus/
https://pcmonitors.info/articles/monitors-for-console-gaming/

You're also likely confusing proper gamma for black crush and overly dark colours versus the TN.

Thanks +rep!

I used Full on the PS4 last night and it was slightly better but not near the TN and other TVs performance in the dark. The IPS glow is still horrid even like 15 degrees off center, super worse if viewed from above. Funny that my TN has horrid colors from below but not from above.

I was previously in ycbcr 444 and now changed to RGB Full 444. Still horrible dark performance and bad glow with PC usage unless I am dead center.

Anyway, what's your experience with VA? I read some comments it has terrible text performance. Is that true?
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Your old displays use CCFL back-lighting which means that they've likely lost at least half to 2/3 of their brightness versus the Acer set to 100% (presumably). VA monitors are dull by comparison since they're all matte and suffer from vibrancy reducing horizontal gamma shift, Non-Sony TV's use PWM and VA suffer from more ghosting as discussed here:

http://hardforum.com/threads/best-reviewed-a-mva-monitor-thread-read-the-1st-post.1803228/page-8

A glossy VA panel would definitely put up a fight, but the only glossy VA monitors (28") have a frame of input lag and 90% SRGB colour space coverage.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 2/27/16 at 3:21pm
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Your old displays use CCFL back-lighting which means that they've likely lost at least half to 2/3 of their brightness versus the Acer set to 100% (presumably). VA monitors are dull by comparison since they're all matte and suffer from vibrancy reducing horizontal gamma shift, Non-Sony TV's use PWM and VA suffer from more ghosting as discussed here:

http://hardforum.com/threads/best-reviewed-a-mva-monitor-thread-read-the-1st-post.1803228/page-8

A glossy VA panel would definitely put up a fight, but the only glossy VA monitors (28") have a frame of input lag and 90% SRGB colour space coverage.

Do you think a glossy IPS would have less glow?

Thanks. I'll read that later.

Also, in rtings and avsforum, why is it generally considered for IPS to have worse true contrast than VA? Is this true for VA monitors?

Do you have suggestions for testing PWM for TVs?

Yes my 2333HD doesn't get as bright as the G25 but the max brightness isn't even useful in my use case and the IPS glow is just much worse. I see better contrast overall with my TN except the color is slightly less vibrant.

G25 seem 1 shade better at black levels but my TN shows more. Can barely see the branches and turtle's underbelly shell in the G25 no matter the monitor OSD setting tweaks.

Don't see any black rectangles in either monitor for the turtle test.

Where were you able to get the info that only Sony makes PWM free tvs?
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Do you think a glossy IPS would have less glow?

It depends on the panel. The HP 25XW with the same panel has less glow.
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Also, in rtings and avsforum, why is it generally considered for IPS to have worse true contrast than VA? Is this true for VA monitors?

Rtings still doesn't understand what VA gamma shift is, the negative affects of wide gamut and ignores the clearly inferior motion performance shown by panels with PWM.
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Do you have suggestions for testing PWM for TVs?

Read the instructions: http://testufo.com/#test=blurtrail
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Yes my 2333HD doesn't get as bright as the G25 but the max brightness isn't even useful in my use case and the IPS glow is just much worse. I see better contrast overall with my TN except the color is slightly less vibrant.

Open up microsoft paint and turn the Acer's brightness down until it looks like it matches your 2333HD. I use 45 brightness (140cdm/2), but have a bright light to match the brightness (2600 lumen 6500k/Daylight Philips CFL).
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Can barely see the branches and turtle's underbelly shell in the G25 no matter the monitor OSD setting tweaks.

I think you're still mistaking proper colours for black crush. The lagom black level test only works properly if browser (Chrome, Explorer, Firefox, ect) colour management is enabled which is irritating to do and doesn't always work.
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Where were you able to get the info that only Sony makes PWM free tvs?

I know people who review TV's, and it's easy to tell by looking at Rtings ghosting pictures:

4K Samsung versus PWM Free 4K Sony

The eye sees double image ghosting as well as blur not captured on camera versus the natural blur from the PWM Free Sonys.

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It depends on the panel. The HP 25XW with the same panel has less glow.
Rtings still doesn't understand what VA gamma shift is, the negative affects of wide gamut and ignores the clearly inferior motion performance shown by panels with PWM.
Read the instructions: http://testufo.com/#test=blurtrail
Open up microsoft paint and turn the Acer's brightness down until it looks like it matches your 2333HD. I use 45 brightness (140cdm/2), but have a bright light to match the brightness (2600 lumen 6500k/Daylight Philips CFL).
I think you're still mistaking proper colours for black crush. The lagom black level test only works properly if browser (Chrome, Explorer, Firefox, ect) colour management is enabled which is irritating to do and doesn't always work.
I know people who review TV's, and it's easy to tell by looking at Rtings ghosting pictures:

4K Samsung versus PWM Free 4K Sony

The eye sees double image ghosting as well as blur not captured on camera versus the natural blur from the PWM Free Sonys.


Thanks again.

So for "proper colors" I shouldn't be seeing the turtle's underbelly, nor the background branches?

Also, I just played Gears 2 through Xbox One with Full. As I move my head, face on different parts of the screen, black details disappear becoming light grey.

If my head is smack dab center, I cannot see dark details at the edges of the monitor.. when I put my face smack dab at the edge(s), the details appear but everywhere else, the details are lost. This isn't nowhere near as bad on my TN.

Since you have a calibrated display, what parts of the turtle do you see/not see? On my G25, the turtle's front paw folds under is almost invisible and so are the speckles in its chin. I used Chrome and Opera.

Btw, the Sony image you shown from rtings reminds me of what Asus says to look for to determin a PWM monitor. Horizontal bands? Weird.

http://www.asus.com/Microsite/2015/display/eye_care_technology/

I guess it's a matter of preference? The Sony looks worse with some interlacing IMO.

EDIT: Ran the UFO

Was fine on both my 2333HD and G25

Ran the moving 1 pixel line. Much better perormance on the G25, on my 2333hd. the line looks a bit thicker with vertical (top to bottom) waves.. but no horizontal interlacing like the Sony 800 image capture.
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