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Callow, callay, frabjous day.
It's "calloh" you foolish old man rolleyes.gif
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/Insert intense sarcasm...

Terrorists abroad now heed the call. - Shut off cloud backups, lock your Iphone with 10 attempt security and Apple will protect your privacy no matter how much of a monster you are or what crimes against humanity you commit because your privacy is more important than anything else!

Callow, callay, frabjous day.

Am I just missing something or am I just stupid? If Apple were to backdoor or hack the one phone at their own headquarters, retrieve the needed information and then physically destroy the phone when they get done, what harm does it cause to anyone else? And I am seriously asking because I want to know.
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If possible, none - that is exactly what McAffe is offering. The issue is that the court order asks Apple to write a custom firmware that, in theory, could be reverse engineered by the FBI, giving them a back door to all iPhones.

If the FBI were seriously interested in protecting privacy burdens they'd take McAffee up on their offer rather than demanding access to and ownership of an "unlocked" firmware.
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If possible, none - that is exactly what McAffe is offering. The issue is that the court order asks Apple to write a custom firmware that, in theory, could be reverse engineered by the FBI, giving them a back door to all iPhones.

If the FBI were seriously interested in protecting privacy burdens they'd take McAffee up on their offer rather than demanding access to and ownership of an "unlocked" firmware.

Agree. That's what I said all along. IF everyone involved was acting in best interest of the country, that compromise should have already happened.
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Am I just missing something or am I just stupid? If Apple were to backdoor or hack the one phone at their own headquarters, retrieve the needed information and then physically destroy the phone when they get done, what harm does it cause to anyone else? And I am seriously asking because I want to know.

Their reputation abroad and namesake?

If they can do that for the US government, what's stopping them from working with the Chinese government, Russia or other government with human right issue, and what's stopping the US from blocking it, since remember, Apple isn't a US company, but a multinational corporation.
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FBI: "We need a key to this lock."
Apple: "We sell the same lock to everyone."
FBI: "We need the key every lock."
Apple: "We can't do that. It undermines freedom of speech and privacy, the thing you're supposed to defend."
FBI: "We only need the key to 12 locks."
Apple: "We refuse."
FBI: "But terrorists!"


Public: "Apple is terrorism."
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FBI: "We need a key to this lock."
Apple: "We sell the same lock to everyone."
FBI: "We need the key every lock."
Apple: "We can't do that. It undermines freedom of speech and privacy, the thing you're supposed to defend."
FBI: "We only need the key to 12 locks."
Apple: "We refuse."
FBI: "But terrorists!"


Public: "Apple is terrorism."

Really man?

I mean seriously?

It actually doesn't undermine your freedom of speech - You still maintain your first amendment rights and they are defended...This isn't even a 1st amendment debate. It's never been a 1st Amendment debate.

This is a debate more/less about the 4th in it's entirety. The right of lawfully seizing of evidence/information. Does the FBI maintain probable cause in the "unlocking" of all Iphones via a backdoor.

Right now, in your local PD, on AVERAGE there are 3-4 Iphones PER UNIT that sit in evidence lockers that belong to latent criminals. Some murdered, some raped, some were actually terrorists, some belong to individuals that were murdered...They sit there, unused - With evidence, real EVIDENCE that cannot be used in the court of law, because law enforcement can't gain access and Apple refuses to help even on a 1x1 basis.

The irony - That's not even an emotional plea - That's a fact of this case.

"Oh we'll give you their cloud data." - Smart criminals turn off the cloud and keep the data on the device. In fact, that's not even a new thing.

Your 1st Amendment rights? Seriously? You have the right to spew nonsense on these forums...Nobody is hindering that.

Apple won't even agree to a 1x1 unlocking of the phones...Meanwhile there's a legitimate terrorist CELL still somewhere, we have no idea. Thousands of cases go unsolved, yearly...

Are they going about it the wrong way? Absolutely, the FBI is challenging your right to lawful seizure but, nothing more.

Ignorance is in thinking this case is about your freedom of speech when that's never once been challenged by anyone.
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Right now, in your local PD, on AVERAGE there are 3-4 Iphones PER UNIT that sit in evidence lockers that belong to latent criminals. Some murdered, some raped, some were actually terrorists, some belong to individuals that were murdered...They sit there, unused - With evidence, real EVIDENCE that cannot be used in the court of law, because law enforcement can't gain access and Apple refuses to help even on a 1x1 basis.

When people think like that, they should be upset with the police force, not with Apple. If your whole case of determining guilt or innocence hangs on what MIGHT be on a phone (which you don't know for sure what is on there) then you have failed in gathering evidence.
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When people think like that, they should be upset with the police force, not with Apple. If your whole case of determining guilt or innocence hangs on what MIGHT be on a phone (which you don't know for sure what is on there) then you have failed in gathering evidence.

So you should be upset with the police if your case, determining the guilt of a felon, rests in that criminals communicative device?

How do you think drug dealers communicate? Smoke signals?

Why use a burn phone when your Iphone is guaranteed to be secure by Apple and they fight for it?

How about terrorists? You don't think they use phone-only email accounts? Text?

How are you supposed to gather evidence when it exists in it's entirety on said device?

...The ignorance, it's real.
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