Originally Posted by JKuhn @Masked
Did that guy who sold children send them over the phone? Did he "aquire" them over the phone?
Does the drug dealer get/make his drugs over the phone? Does he give it to others over the phone?
You can't say that this angle is required. Every crime that involves physical objects (be it drugs, persons, explosives, or whatever) has a physical trail. That's a given, and authorities should use people who are competent in following that trail.
There's also the matter of incompetent officers, agents, etc (don't pretend that they don't exist, this is once again a given) who use fearmongering and false investigations to justify their positions. Giving them the means ot spy on anybody and everybody just gives them a way to look busy. I'm not saying that terrorism doesn't exist, but I do get the idea that it's been blown out of proportion.
Physical evidence still requires a trail. Having the person being trafficked doesn't help as much as you think it does. Ask any criminal lawyer. 90% of that case is based on communication and if there isn't any...It becomes incredibly difficult to persecute. It really doesn't matter how competent you are when 90% of your case revolves around the 1 item by which, nobody can gain access.
I do agree that the fear--mongering by our gov't is unnecessary but, that doesn't mean that Apple standing by and doing nothing when, this phone could be used as evidence, is the right thing, either.
Originally Posted by nvidiaftw12
Wat and double wat. You said earlier how they use imessahe for P2P communications. How do know that isn't their primary form of long distance talks about unnaproved things. It might get used tremendously.
This only applies to America? So you care about kids doing drugs in America, but not innocent people on other countries? You are for it, but only looking at the American side of things. This thread is about all the consequences, everywhere iphones are sold.
I said how apps like KiK were used for direct communication. Kik isn't available in other regions or countries. You're clearly not "up" on other region's cell-phone laws my friend...Use a VPN/Proxy to hide behind a wall and skype...There are hundreds of communications that aren't traceable...Hell, send a letter. Burn the evidence.
This specific case does. This, right now, is an American issue. Were it French, the French would've already broken the phone. Same with the English, Germans, Italians, Greeks - European countries handle terrorists and acts of terrorism VERY DIFFERENTLY than we do. I'd suggest you take a 101 course, anywhere and inform yourself on other Govt's political policies because you're clearly, uninformed.
Also, you're ASSUMING, major assumption, this would impact all Iphones - we have no proof of that. Interesting fact, our Iphones are actually unique compared to the other regions and are further individualized per carrier...So, your assumption is that this would be world-wide when, you actually have no evidence it's leaving the 4 corners of this country.
We're basing this argument on facts. Hard facts. Not assumptions.