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Exactly, criminals and terrorists don't follow laws, so setting new precedence that hurts everyone else is not the direction to go. You give the government the keys to all iphones and criminals just stop using iphones, all you do is damage the privacy and data security of everyone else.

Yeah! Bank robbers don't care about the law against robbing banks, so making robbing banks against the law is useless!

That said, I don't think Apple should be compelled to provide decryption, because their point that the creation of such a program does, actually, endanger everyone is valid. But the logic that we shouldn't act because criminals don't follow laws is worth speaking out against.
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Yeah! Bank robbers don't care about the law against robbing banks, so making robbing banks against the law is useless!

That said, I don't think Apple should be compelled to provide decryption, because their point that the creation of such a program does, actually, endanger everyone is valid. But the logic that we shouldn't act because criminals don't follow laws is worth speaking out against.

You completely miss the point. Enacting laws that hurt law-abidding citizens to stop "criminals and terrorists" is what I'm talking about, not laws in general or not doing anything. Passing the Patriot Act was supposed to stop criminals and terrorists and led to nothing but the general public's privacy being trampled on. Comparing something like that to a law against robbing banks (that hurts no one but bank robbers and protects everyone else's money) is a silly analogy to make.
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It works in England.

Yeah, it works in North Korea too, do you still consider that an acceptable example.
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Yeah, it works in North Korea too, do you still consider that an acceptable example.

North Korea doesn't have terrorist attacks that we know of (edited for accuracy), so they are a good example . We need to find out what they are doing, or else more people will die! That is the way we are headed. Every time terrorist attack, they take another privileged. Today it is our right to encryption tomorrow it is our right to unreasonable search and seizure. Then the guns will go next. I am all for freedom. The TSA needs to go, they have yet to catch a terrorist. The NSA needs to go, they haven't prevented anything either. So all this trading freedom for security is the worst trade in history, because we gave them the power and got nothing in return. The only way this is going to change is when they finally take away enough rights to piss people off. I say hurry up already, lets take the guns. I guess the country doesn't care about encryption. When they pass some real anti-gun laws, then maybe the people will finally get fed up with the "we have to because terrorism" BS.
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North Korea doesn't have terrorist attacks, so they are a good example..

No.

You actually don't know that for a fact.

That's a baseless assumption by which you have no evidence.

(That makes them a terrible example since they could actually //all// be terrorists. - Edited for accuracy)
Edited by Masked - 3/1/16 at 9:01am
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No.

You actually don't know that for a fact.

That's a baseless assumption by which you have no evidence.

That was a sarcastic statement, try reading the guy's whole post next time before rushing to your keyboard.


The funnt thing is, the whole reason the amendment for the right to bear arms exists was to keep the central government in check. They felt having an armed population would be a deterent. The American Revolution wouldn't have been possible if the colonists weren't all armed. LOL on them, I guess, looking at things today.
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Originally Posted by madpossum View Post

That was a sarcastic statement, try reading the guy's whole post next time before rushing to your keyboard.


The funny thing is, the whole reason the amendment for the right to bear arms exists was to keep the central government in check. They felt having an armed population would be a deterrent. The American Revolution wouldn't have been possible if the colonists weren't all armed. LOL on them, I guess, looking at things today.

I did but, it doesn't change the fact that his statement was based on a fabrication.

I edited your spelling.

LOL on us too in case history ever repeats itself. rolleyes.gif
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I did but, it doesn't change the fact that his statement was based on a fabrication.

Well, no information comes out of N. Korea that isn't government sponsored so there is no way to know either way for sure, but that kinda ties in with his point.
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I edited your spelling

Thanks, I was in a hurry and don't worry much about correct grammar on a forum post (though have been called a grammar Nazi IRL, LOL).
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LOL on us too in case history ever repeats itself. rolleyes.gif

One of the few things I've ever agreed with you on!
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My lawyer was sitting next to me as I wrote most of that, as was a LT. thumb.gif
That is nice, but in no way responds to my counter-arguments or validate your claims (appeal to authority, argument by transitive property?).
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Last I checked, the NYPD has over 1200 phones they can't break that have been sent up for processing?
If by "[they have] over 1,2000" you mean "they [claim to] have 175 iPhones," then, yes (fear-mongering much?). rolleyes.gif

Also, to be sure, this is the same NYPD that encouraged everyone to upgrade to iOS 7 for it's biometric scanning that discourages theft and is easier to obtain a warrant for.
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Oh but, I stopped reading at that point so, apologies.
I meant the thread, not you personally, etc etc
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If by "[they have] over 1,2000" you mean "they [claim to] have 175 iPhones," then, yes (fear-mongering much?). :rolleyes

Apparently, as a lawyer, you're a bad one because your reading comprehension is bunk.
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VANCE: In fact, Rachel, it's a problem that affects us more than actually I believe it affects the federal government. We started tracking the number of iOS 8 devices that we cannot access as a result of Apple's decision in late 2014. And over that year-and-a-half time period, there are now 175 phones that we cannot access out of a universe of 670 phones that our cyber lab has evaluated. So it's about a quarter of the phones we haven't been able to get into. And...

In 2014.

Over THAT time period there were 175 phones.

If I recall the date, which I may be a little hazy on, it's 2016 and we're now on IOS 9.2.

Yeah...Since I actually associate with more than a few officers on the NYPD - Their word is god compared to your failed ability to read an NPR article.

Oh and since I actually read the article:
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Apple and Google are huge companies who own 96.7 percent of the worldwide smartphone market. We know communications exist on these phones, are being used by the criminals to perpetrate the crimes. And that's a fact. Given that that is a fact, I believe these companies have to acknowledge that and strike a balance between public safety and privacy that is not on one extreme or the other. Right now, they have independently struck a balance between privacy and public safety at that point on the spectrum where it coincides perfectly with their economic interests. We need to look at this with independent eyes. And I believe Congress ultimately is going to have to make the judgment call of where we draw that line.

Couldn't agree more.
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