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I would wager that the government would then point to this one case as a reason to compel Apple to do the same in another case. As typical of governments, there exists the expansion of power.

If Apple could be compelled in this case, even with no government agency knowing how it was done or possessing the tools, in principle it would be no different then the FBI possessing the tools or having a backdoor.

I can look at the TOS, I'm fairly certain my foot is past the line, I just havent put it down yet.buttkick.gif

Yes but, in this case, there is a significantly larger, plausible threat.

While it DOES open the door to the possibility of it being done in the future, Apple has the right, VIA THE TOSS/EULA to dictate the status quot. IE the expansion of power can be ruled out if Apple actually creates a clause in the TOS.

Yes, in principal it would be different considering it's Apple unlocking their own phone...

There's also an actual, credible threat, in existence since the belief is that they were part of a cell...So, you know there's that too.
post #32 of 234
After all the crap thats come out about the NSA im pretty sure that if there exists a backdoor into any phone or software then the NSA will already have it or be the one that put it in there so if they are super serious about getting into something im pretty sure they can, denial of it is just PR
post #33 of 234
Every generation gets the bitter wake up call of the political class screwing them over somehow. Nothing to see here.
Edited by Pip Boy - 2/17/16 at 1:49pm
post #34 of 234
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Originally Posted by Clazman55 View Post

I would wager that the government would then point to this one case as a reason to compel Apple to do the same in another case. As typical of governments, there exists the expansion of power.

If Apple could be compelled in this case, even with no government agency knowing how it was done or possessing the tools, in principle it would be no different then the FBI possessing the tools or having a backdoor.

I can look at the TOS, I'm fairly certain my foot is past the line, I just havent put it down yet.buttkick.gif

This.

It isn't about this one instance, it is about what happens if Apple complies this one time. It then gives the Government footing to compel it to happen again, and again, and again.

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Every generation gets the bitter wake up call of the political class screwing them over somehow. Nothing to see here.

Except this generation has to deal with a Government that has the ability to invade their privacy at a level not possible before. Due to the types of technology present in the vast majority of homes.
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After all the crap thats come out about the NSA im pretty sure that if there exists a backdoor into any phone or software then the NSA will already have it or be the one that put it in there so if they are super serious about getting into something im pretty sure they can, denial of it is just PR



The NSA cannot actually randomly hack into mobile devices etc which has been proven repeatedly...They CAN siphon from the back-end which, Apple doesn't actually allow so, in this case, you're wrong. The only access to that phone is through Apple.

Texts are also encrypted as are calls through the Iphone and an interesting fact is that if you block them/yourself, there isn't even an outgoing call shown on the network. Thus, the need for Apple.

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This.

It isn't about this one instance, it is about what happens if Apply complies this one time. It then gives the Government footing to compel it to happen again, and again, and again.
Except this generation has to deal with a Government that has the ability to invade their privacy at a level not possible before. Due to the types of technology present in the vast majority of homes.

In this case however, there is actually a credible threat that could be active.

You have to remember that - Again, this isn't some misdemeanor drug charge where cops picked up a dealer and want to raid his clientele.

This is a legit terrorist that belonged to a legit terrorist cell and there's an incredibly high chance that the rest of that cell, is still active.
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Good for them. Good for us. Good for marketing.
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Except this generation has to deal with a Government that has the ability to invade their privacy at a level not possible before. Due to the types of technology present in the vast majority of homes.

No it doesn't have to. People don't have to use it, they really don't.
Edited by Pip Boy - 2/17/16 at 2:58pm
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Come on FBI you could just hack the records to make it look like an FBI purchased iPhone and had some dumb Apple Store tech let you in?


Dude this isn't CSI or some movie.
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Hey all,

Let's not go off the tangent shall we?

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Why cant police catch a criminal like they used too for umm decades ? Its happening in Europe too, too many back office-officers and not enough blues on the street working with the community and doing proper detective work. Sure there are a lot of 'cyber' (( lol not a word anyone in tech would of coined )) crimes but just because apple / google /microsoft came up with ( 'borrowed' from GNU redface.gif ) lots of ideas and technologies shouldn't mean every department in government gets to piggyback on it and exploit ?

Tax loopholes shouldn't be used as an excuse to abuse a system in reverse either.

Police do catch people like they used to but the thing is criminals use sophisticated methods to conceal and break the law. Though that doesn't mean that the police doesn't know the people that are breaking the law, they are just waiting for them to make a mistake and then they can catch them red handed.
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Hey all,

Let's not go off the tangent shall we?
Police do catch people like they used to but the thing is criminals use sophisticated methods to conceal and break the law. Though that doesn't mean that the police doesn't know the people that are breaking the law, they are just waiting for them to make a mistake and then they can catch them red handed.

The majority of online crime is fraud. Most sophisticated fraud won't be carried out on a handset which is a child's toy compared to a laptop / pc. I hope people like yourself don't continue to spread the myth that terrorists are smart computer hackers / operators thats a very dangerous precedent, you end up missing people in plain sight.

And we are talking about phones here so lets as you say focus on the story.

Apples technology is water tight, the bad guy/girls are using the platform there not experts? Most of the planned stuff is done on unencrypted SMS because they are not skilled or knowledgeable at all when using other platforms.. the question is should billions of people lose their privacy 24/7 for a handful of complete psychos ?

Maybe the answer is yes. But the shooter did the crime with a gun not a phone.
Edited by Pip Boy - 2/18/16 at 2:49pm
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