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The important question now is how big is that die and if any SMX are disabled on that pascal chip with that cited performance figure.
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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

We may not see the same numbers with the GeForce card though. I'm sure there is a way for them to cutback the DP performance for the GeForce version.
Yawn.

It happens all the time. Drivers just get better with new architecture while Maxwell is maxed out. Its just that AMD cards being similar in architecture will get most of the optimization of new cards.
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Tbh 75% is still a letdown, unless Pascal really is just Maxwell on 20nm 16nm FF+ with minimal architectural changes.

I was expecting 100% improvement minimum to be quite frank.

100% improvement is about what I expect for the big chip too yeah. Basically from Titan X (GM 200, 600mm² full fat die) to whatever the Titan version of Pascal is called.

Also I've heard that HBM does take less space on the die? Something along the lines so in theory it could be even more than 100% going from GDDR5 to HBM2 or am I wrong?
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post #24 of 168
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GTX 780Ti wasnt 100% faster than GTX 580.
It was 28nm and a new architecture.
It still was "only" 85% faster.

Seriously, expecting more than that is just wishful thinking.
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GTX 780Ti wasnt 100% faster than GTX 580.
It was 28nm and a new architecture.
It still was "only" 85% faster.

Seriously, expecting more than that is just dreaming.




Titan X is almost 100% faster then Titan and both where 28nm. I expect 100% in every game. Remeber Titan > Titan X memory did not change much.
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post #26 of 168
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Titan X is almost 100% faster then Titan and both where 28nm. I expect 100% in every game. Remeber Titan > Titan X memory did not change much.

Almost here too.



My point was that it could happen or maybe not, but I feel anyone "dissappointed" by +75% is maybe asking too much. How is that dissappointing? Although one will always ask for more, I would be very satisfied with 75% more FPS. That would leave me personally content
Edited by iLeakStuff - 2/17/16 at 1:32pm
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So around 75% improvement from Maxwell, assuming apples to apples (shaders, rops, and whatever else scaling similarly in count) in gaming, and 400% in computational power.

Actually sounds a bit more impressive than I was expecting to be honest.

Not sure I like the added DP on the Titan for purely selfish reasons of now having to compete with the enterprise and small businesses wanting to buy them up for the DP performance.
Guaranteed $1000 for that GP100 Titan with these DP numbers tongue.gif
post #28 of 168
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Almost here too.



My point was that it could happen or maybe not, but I feel anyone "dissappointed" by +75% is maybe asking too much. How is that dissappointing? Although one will always ask for more, I would be satisfied with 75% more FPS

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1350?vs=1072

Also in that TPU review there are no actual performance figures for the 580 if you look through the individual game benchmarks, so that 580 performance figure is probably pulled/extrapolated from older reviews.

75% is disappointing because I'm using past precedence to guide my expectations. If 580 to 780 Ti was a (more than) 100% jump, there's absolutely no reason why Maxwell to Pascal shouldn't be a 100% jump. Unless as I pointed out earlier, Pascal is really just Maxwell on a new node with minimal architecture update, which seems quite unlikely given Pascal's DP abilities.
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Titan X is almost 100% faster then Titan and both where 28nm. I expect 100% in every game. Remeber Titan > Titan X memory did not change much.

Titan wasn't a full chip though. I looked at it once going back to the 8800 days, and around 85% is about the average on a process+architecture change.
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1350?vs=1072

Also in that TPU review there are no actual performance figures for the 580 if you look through the individual game benchmarks, so that 580 performance figure is probably pulled/extrapolated from older reviews.

75% is disappointing because I'm using past precedence to guide my expectations. If 580 to 780 Ti was a (more than) 100% jump, there's absolutely no reason why Maxwell to Pascal shouldn't be a 100% jump. Unless as I pointed out earlier, Pascal is really just Maxwell on a new node with minimal architecture update, which seems quite unlikely given Pascal's DP abilities.

lol that means the difference is even smaller than +85% because newer drivers would give GTX 580 a boost in performance.

Anyway, each to its own. I think +30 to +40% would be bad. Anything above 50% is all good to me.
Aiming for GTX 1070 SLI build most likely anyway. No chance in hell I`m waiting for 2017 and GP100 and GTX Titan X first for $1000 and having to wait for summer 2017 maybe for a cheaper GP100 card
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