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If I was forced to upgrade every year, I'd rather buy a console, I wouldn't become part of Nvidia's marketshare, not because I hate Nvidia (I always recommend a 980Ti over a FuryX explaining that there's performance now but a possibility it goes away tomorrow) but because I'd just rather buy a console at that point, I don't enjoy being milked, my ancestors weren't cows nor goats, it isn't part of my instincts to let others milk me.

I don't see how being with Nvidia is any different. Nvidia gets performance increases too. AMD just happens to stick with it a little longer. That doesn't mean you have to buy a new GPU every year or even every other year if you're with nvidia. As long as the GPU plays the games you want at the level of detail and fps you want, you should be fine.

I'm still rocking my 580. I really want to upgrade it but it's lived a solid 5 years of service for me.
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post #152 of 185
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TDP, noise and cooling of the upcoming cards actually play a huge role for what I will pick.
TDP because of the heat it spews out in my case and in the room.
Noise, well because I hate noise.
Cooling, because I want a card that can run in the 60-70s max with air cooling to have headroom for overclocking. Preferably I want AIO but with a more clever design that shuts off the radiator and pump during idle like STRIX cards etc does.

Shutting off the pump would be a very bad idea since the coldplate doesn't have much thermal capacity, and the entire "AIO" portion of the CLC will overheat rather quickly. Even with my custom loop if I turn off the pump the temps on the CPU and GPU steadily creep up even at idle.
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Shutting off the pump would be a very bad idea since the coldplate doesn't have much thermal capacity, and the entire "AIO" portion of the CLC will overheat rather quickly. Even with my custom loop if I turn off the pump the temps on the CPU and GPU steadily creep up even at idle.

Well I said a more clever design than current AIO cards.
What about a thicker card with a lot of heatsinks like STRIX got, that keeps the card cool enough when everything is shut down?
post #154 of 185
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I don't see how being with Nvidia is any different. Nvidia gets performance increases too. AMD just happens to stick with it a little longer. That doesn't mean you have to buy a new GPU every year or even every other year if you're with nvidia. As long as the GPU plays the games you want at the level of detail and fps you want, you should be fine.

I'm still rocking my 580. I really want to upgrade it but it's lived a solid 5 years of service for me.

Rocking a 580 today is comparable to rocking a 8800GS, they both will probably work for 20 years, but it isn't the same as actually being competent or gaining performance over time, which is exactly my point.



Please notice how the 380X (HD 7970), a card that was meant to beat your 580 but was hastily defeated by the GTX 680 at launch, Now it not only destroys the GTX 680 Today but its closing the gap and even outperforming a GTX 780, the GTX 680 isn't even relevant anymore, imagine what would the 580 look like, with the 7970 you can still play games like Battlefront maxed out with AA on 1080p with around 75 FPS Average, that is downright impressive from a card that's 5 years old, now compare to another 5 years old card like the GTX 580, the results? Lets just say it isn't even comparable, in fact if I had a GTX 580 I would have needed to upgrade 3 years ago while my HD 7970 is upgrading itself for free, even to the highest level of performance of the newest generations



Please notice how over time the HD 7970 first surpassed the GTX 580, then after a while it kicked the 680 away, and now in this benchmark the HD 7970 is beating the GTX 780, see the difference between a product that last 10 years being usable and one that last that same amount of time while also improving on itself to stay competitive? That's what I like of AMD.

Even though your GTX 580 was almost the same in performance to my HD 7970 right now your GTX 580 would be lucky to run games at a third of the HD 7970 performance, both cards were launched 5 years ago, one got old and weak while the other just got stronger with age, just like Wine and that's an impressive characteristic on today's technology standards.
Edited by Dargonplay - 2/26/16 at 11:10am
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I'm always amazed at how many people are willing to admit a closed mind and a lack of due diligence, when it comes to a consumer good.

True that.

I upgrade only when I can more or less double my performance (or the itch just becomes too strong).

However, I made the mistake of buying an nVidia card two upgrades ago and won't do that again. Once I repaired the image quality and hacked the registry and drivers to be proper, it was okay... but videos were horribly ugly no matter what I did. Then, I went to render some of my video projects and noticed just how poor of a performer it was for that task. I did a lot of studying and comparisons and discovered the only way to get *almost* equal performance to my old 5770 for my video encoding needs was to buy the Titan... for $1k. Threw that card on eBay and bought a 7870XT. Best decision ever - that card now slaps the 580 around.

When it came time to upgrade, I bought an R9 290 without worries, and saw nothing but improvements (including in energy efficiency).

Next time around, it'll probably be a Polaris-based GPU (next year, if I can manage to keep my money from burning a hole in my pocket...). Fiji just doesn't offer me anything (even once the prices are down to the $250 level on eBay biggrin.gif). I'm cheap, what can I say?
post #156 of 185
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Please notice how over time the HD 7970 first surpassed the GTX 580, then after a while it kicked the 680 away, and now in this benchmark the HD 7970 is beating the GTX 780, see the difference between a product that last 10 years being usable and one that last that same amount of time while also improving on itself to stay competitive? That's what I like of AMD.

Even though your GTX 580 was almost the same in performance to my HD 7970 right now your GTX 580 would be lucky to run games at a third of the HD 7970 performance, both cards were launched 5 years ago, one got old and weak while the other just got stronger with age, just like Wine and that's an impressive characteristic on today's technology standards.

Given the severity of your rose colored glasses, I have a feel this is going to go no where so I respond once maybe twice if you bring something useful to the conversation...

First, the 580 released in november 2010 whereas the 7970 (non ghz edition) released in june 2012. That's an 18month difference. (EDIT: jan 2012 not june) That's not even remotely the same launch time. It also means your card is 4 years old, not 5.

Second the 7970 was ALWAYS faster than the 580. It launched 18 months 12 months after the 580, There's no surprise there. Saying "first surpassed the GTX 580" is just useless fluff.

Finally you cherry pick one graph that shows the 7970/280x/390x in a very positive light. How about some other benchmarks from that same site?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




Wait a darn sec. How is it possible that the 770 and the 7970/280x are neck and neck in most of those titles? Oh because both cards got improvements. Some cards do better in certain games than it's direct competitor and vise versa. The 7970 isn't some magical unicorn.

7970 was a fine card and it got improvements over time. But let's not imply that somehow it's tripled in performance in ridiculous claims like this.
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Even though your GTX 580 was almost the same in performance to my HD 7970 right now your GTX 580 would be lucky to run games at a third of the HD 7970 performance[/qoute]

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It's not like AMD older generation aged any better. The direct contemporary of the gtx 580, the 6970 aged worse than the gtx 580.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_280X_Gaming/26.html

The gtx 580 gained momentum vs the 6970 during the latter years. It initially started at about 10 percent but gained another 5-15 percent over time.

In situations it's not limited by videomemory it's 20 percent faster. Lower the resolution(1.5gb of memory on the gtx 580) and you were near 7950 levels of performance which is pretty good for a last gen card.

Even now it likely somewhere along the 7870 in terms of performance or 270x in terms of performance. The 7970 should be faster because it was launched 14 months later, on a newer node and using a newer architecture.

It's kind of stupid and misleading to compare the gtx 580(november 2010) and 7970(January 2012) when they aren't close to the same age and used a different manufacturing node.
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It's not like AMD older generation aged any better. The direct contemporary of the gtx 580, the 6970 aged worse than the gtx 580.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_280X_Gaming/26.html

The gtx 580 gained momentum vs the 6970 during the latter years. It initially started at about 10 percent but gained another 5-15 percent over time.

In situations it's not limited by videomemory it's 20 percent faster. Lower the resolution(1.5gb of memory on the gtx 580) and you were near 7950 levels of performance which is pretty good for a last gen card.

Even now it likely somewhere along the 7870 in terms of performance or 270x in terms of performance. The 7970 should be faster because it was launched 14 months later, on a newer node and using a newer architecture.

It's kind of stupid and misleading to compare the gtx 580(november 2010) and 7970(January 2012) when they aren't close to the same age and used a different manufacturing node.

I had a 580 when the 7970 launched. I just laughed at the performance the 7970 offered at THE time because it was nothing spectacular in comparison to the 580.
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Given the severity of your rose colored glasses, I have a feel this is going to go no where so I respond once maybe twice if you bring something useful to the conversation...

First, the 580 released in november 2010 whereas the 7970 (non ghz edition) released in june 2012. That's an 18month difference. That's not even remotely the same launch time. It also means your card is less than 4 years old, not 5.

Wait a darn sec. How is it possible that the 770 and the 7970/280x are neck and neck in most of those titles? Oh because both cards got improvements. Some cards do better in certain games than it's direct competitor and vise versa. The 7970 isn't some magical unicorn.

Firstly, we both are wrong, the HD 7970 was launched on January 9, 2012. The GHz edition is nothing more than a factory OC, Black Edition, Whatever edition, the HD 7970 is more than 4 years old.

Secondly, using Project Cars, really? I mean, Really? Well sure, a GTX 960 performing like a Titan and trashing the 780 will sure prove my point of how fast Nvidia cards age.
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It's not like AMD older generation aged any better. The direct contemporary of the gtx 580, the 6970 aged worse than the gtx 580.

It's kind of stupid and misleading to compare the gtx 580(november 2010) and 7970(January 2012) when they aren't close to the same age and used a different manufacturing node.

Maybe, but you can still compare it to the GTX 680 for an inverse situation, the GTX 680 launched several months after the HD 7970 on the newest node and it destroyed the HD 7970 but look at it now, irrelevant, not even competitive.
Edited by Dargonplay - 2/26/16 at 12:21pm
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My only comment directed at AMD on '... spice things up ...' is:

Be careful starting that hype train. The backlash generated when you teased mystery products in the past and then it turned out to be the R9 285 or FX-9590 with CLC did harm to your company's reputation. If you are going to build excitement, make sure the payout is worth it.

No joke!

We better be seeing Polaris 11!!!

And it better have 8.6B transistors (more is okay as well....) and handily beat everything anyone has on the market (it should spank an OVERCLOCKED 980Ti, for example, at stock speeds).

Seems AMD is already gearing for mass production, though, so we seem to be only months from launch, so we may have a hint about when the 400 series will be released.
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