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haven't notice the improvements

anti-drop protection
other writing pattern to increase density
using nitrogen
ibm using glass until oil drops ruin the drive
pata to sata
different platter materials
plastic anti-vib
silicon anti-vib
mfr relocating plants to other countries

the longevity n reliability still in question

yet in recent years SSD has had rapid growth n development
sure hdd will still be around for the next 20 yrs
not doubting that

????

http://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2013/1104/Helium-powered-hard-drive-lifts-storage-capacity-to-new-heights
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Japanese data storage company Hitachi has pioneered a way to use helium to make data on disk drives a little more compact. Hitachi Global Storage Technologies, or HGST, released the Ultra He6 on Monday, a disk drive that uses light-density helium to cut down on friction, which makes for a more efficient use of space and energy. This 3.5-inch drive claims to be the lightest, fastest, and largest-capacity drive of its size, which could be welcome news to tech companies looking to store massive amounts of data uploaded every day.

We increase platter counts, density, speed, quietness, power consumptions all the time.

The idea that Hard Drives have stopped developing comes from nowhere. THere has, and is constant development of the technology. There's an obvious wall we've hit, but the fact that even now, we are increasing the amount of Terabytes we can fit into a 3.5" chassis, is proof that we are improving the hard drives more and more.
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Many thanks for sharing your backup regime. biggrin.gif I have to ask:

a) Do you use consumer drives or enterprise drives? tongue.gif
b) Was that personal data or commercial data?
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I use a different variation of geo-redundancy. I use four backup HDDs for every HDD I have in service (right now, only three): two locally (onsite) and two offsite in my safe deposit in the fireproof vault (which is anchored to bedrock; I saw that mini Fort Knox being built) at my credit union roughly six miles from where I live. I swap out the onsite drives with the offsite drives no less than once a month. Since the offsite drives will not have any data added or changed after the time they go in the vault, I also maintain a Carbonite account. If I relied on just the Carbonite account to recover all my data, it would take forever (weeks to months) to recover all of it. But, by having the offsite HDDs, I can recover the vast majority of my data in just a day or two (working round the clock), then recovering the rest of the data from Carbonite will take only another handful of days or less.
 

 

Wow. I can say without a hint of native understatement that your method is really very impressive in its forethought and redundancy. My own home backup methods are far less sound though as you say that's only up to my own choices. The lab in which I work uses all sorts of measures including offsite encrypted storage, in-house secured storage, and multiple active redundancies and just having the basic idea of the backup measures in place has me worn out for data security. sleepysmileyanim.gif

 

From what I've read earlier in the thread you make use of WD's, correct? What's your experience with the lifespan on the Greens in a backup-usage scenario? I've had some Blues for ages and they've kept up with minimal maintenance. I'm thinking setting up some proper backup at home using WD Greens if they keep up well.

     
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Many thanks for sharing your backup regime. biggrin.gif I have to ask:

a) Do you use consumer drives or enterprise drives? tongue.gif
b) Was that personal data or commercial data?

a. Consumer drives: WD Greens for the backup drives and WD Blacks in the computer

b. Personal data.
     
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I use a different variation of geo-redundancy. I use four backup HDDs for every HDD I have in service (right now, only three): two locally (onsite) and two offsite in my safe deposit in the fireproof vault (which is anchored to bedrock; I saw that mini Fort Knox being built) at my credit union roughly six miles from where I live. I swap out the onsite drives with the offsite drives no less than once a month. Since the offsite drives will not have any data added or changed after the time they go in the vault, I also maintain a Carbonite account. If I relied on just the Carbonite account to recover all my data, it would take forever (weeks to months) to recover all of it. But, by having the offsite HDDs, I can recover the vast majority of my data in just a day or two (working round the clock), then recovering the rest of the data from Carbonite will take only another handful of days or less.

 

Wow. I can say without a hint of native understatement that your method is really very impressive in its forethought and redundancy. My own home backup methods are far less sound though as you say that's only up to my own choices. The lab in which I work uses all sorts of measures including offsite encrypted storage, in-house secured storage, and multiple active redundancies and just having the basic idea of the backup measures in place has me worn out for data security. sleepysmileyanim.gif

From what I've read earlier in the thread you make use of WD's, correct? What's your experience with the lifespan on the Greens in a backup-usage scenario? I've had some Blues for ages and they've kept up with minimal maintenance. I'm thinking setting up some proper backup at home using WD Greens if they keep up well.

Thank you!

I have a total of 11 WD Greens and one WD White label in service right now and all are used for backups. The SMART attributes on all of them are good. The White Label (a refurb) is a replacement for a Green that started throwing reallocation errors shortly before the warranty ran out. WD quickly and without hassle cross shipped the replacement. Other than that one that got replaced, the only other Green I've had to fail was an early model that had the since corrected excessive head parking issue and had been installed in my old XP machine by a reputable computer repair chain (not Geek Squad; I said reputable, not notorious) that should have known better as the sole drive.

The WD Greens are now the 5400rpm WD Blues.
Edited by Lady Fitzgerald - 2/23/16 at 5:44pm
     
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????

http://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2013/1104/Helium-powered-hard-drive-lifts-storage-capacity-to-new-heights
We increase platter counts, density, speed, quietness, power consumptions all the time.

The idea that Hard Drives have stopped developing comes from nowhere. THere has, and is constant development of the technology. There's an obvious wall we've hit, but the fact that even now, we are increasing the amount of Terabytes we can fit into a 3.5" chassis, is proof that we are improving the hard drives more and more.

I didn't say stop developing just slowing down
HDD still has a use and hasn't been replaced yet

http://www.kitguru.net/components/ssd-drives/anton-shilov/sandisk-to-release-8tb-ssd-in-2015-16tb-ssd-a-year-after/

Its easier to increase capacity of SSD right now they are in the 2.5 format
if they ever take the 3.5 format imagine how much capacity they could put into those

its still over time all this is taking place
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...Its easier to increase capacity of SSD right now they are in the 2.5 format
if they ever take the 3.5 format imagine how much capacity they could put into those...

I've been suggesting that for the past couple of years but, every time I do, several people will pipe up that it would be impractical. I would think the server farms would love it since they could just plug them into the existing bays and get both lower power consumption and dramatically increase capacity.
     
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I've been suggesting that for the past couple of years but, every time I do, several people will pipe up that it would be impractical. I would think the server farms would love it since they could just plug them into the existing bays and get both lower power consumption and dramatically increase capacity.

don't give up suggesting or requesting
some one will listen some how

we could always assembler our own mini SSD pods
just have to find backplanes for 2.5 drives

your right its expensive to throw way the hardware unless ppl on ebay are willing to buy them

even if they don't listen still for personal usage as ext storage
I could store more 2.5 in the same space of 15 3.5 ext drives
just need the capacity n cost to come down
plus xPoint technology to prove itself
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it's been proven time and again that Backblaze's methodology for these results are skewed by other factors and therefore unscientific and cannot be taken seriously.

Why do people STILL use their results as some kind of 'god' indication?

Your case / server rack environment contribute FAR more to HDDs failing than a brand or model.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 2/23/16 at 6:35pm
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it's been proven time and again that Backblaze's methodology for these results are skewed by other factors and therefore unscientific and cannot be taken seriously.

Why do people STILL use their results as some kind of 'god' indication?

Your case / server rack environment contribute FAR more to HDDs failing than a brand or model.
Well they aren't totally useless. If they could provide specific condition variables and location of purchasing it could be useful for specific uses. However, I agree that their data is a bit too narrow, they don't randomly buy from all over the nation and even if they did these manufacturers sell world wide. Their data could be considered a sample. It wouldn't be hard for a crappy batch sold in one region to heavily affect the results. Overall, it's very difficult to determine the reliability of these products, you would need a multinational corporation who has multiple suppliers used world wide and then using consumer parts to provide us with useful data (I don't know any). Otherwise, their testing benefits them and does give some insight into reliability (albeit, not universal). For starters, since they are upfront about what they are using it helps them protect themselves legally (since they aren't claiming they are using enterprise equipment), and it does help with their marketing (after-all we are talking about them, right?). We also do get some information we otherwise wouldn't have. Granted it's localized and use-case specific, but it could still be useful to a subset of specific users. Motherboard makers love to site some e-store who logs return rates of motherboards and makes it public, and they use it heavily for marketing.
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