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I've been suggesting that for the past couple of years but, every time I do, several people will pipe up that it would be impractical. I would think the server farms would love it since they could just plug them into the existing bays and get both lower power consumption and dramatically increase capacity.

There are arguments for and against. The For argument is exactly what you point out. The Against argument will be that with SSD capacities increasing at x rate per year and the 2.5" format giving much higher physical densities, the smart money will be on 2.5" SAS. However, as the demand for data storage rises and the demands upon that data also rise, and if we hit a chip density wall with Flash then we may well see 3.5" Flash as a viable option - let's face it, rack space isn't infinite. smile.gif
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My only experience of a Western Digital HDD failing, is my 10 year old laptop HDD (which has been in use, according to SMART, roughly 5.5 years). It still works, but failure is impending so to say. On the other hand, I have another old laptop from the same era, which came with a Hitatchi HDD, and its hard drive works perfectly. I've switched laptop hard drives now.

I've always heard that WD is more reliable than Seagate, and that may have been true a couple of years ago, but either way I'll only be buying Hitachi hard drives from no on, or maybe also Toshiba; the Japanese sure understand quality (yes, I know HGST is owned by WD, but their hard drives aren't manufactured by WD and are far more reliable than both WD and Seagate).
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No, Seagate hasn't improved on WD. You aren't reading the report correctly. Also, you should read (actually read the entire reports, not glance at a chart or two) the last two or three reports to get a more accurate idea of what is going on.

Good grief, stop with the WD fanboy junk. You keep referring to the full report yet the full report says the exact same thing as the nice little charts. Seagate's reliability is improving, WD is getting worse, and HGST is still the best by a significant margin.

Seagate's 1.5 TB Barracuda is not good. Their 3 TB 7200.14 drive is not good. Whether it was build issues or they are more susceptible to vibrations we'll never know. Perhaps a combo of both.
At 4 and 6 TB the Seagate and WD drives have very similar average ages. Their failure rates at 4 TB are almost equal but at 6 TB the WD failure rate is double that of Seagate. In fact, based on previous reports the Seagate drives have almost always been better than the WD alternatives at 4 and 6.
Even though Backblaze has removed all 2 TB drives made by Seagate they still performed better and lasted longer than WD 2 TB drives. WD drives average 8 months old and they already hit almost 10% failure rate.

A couple poor Seagate models hurt them and the lawsuit will keep those bad models in the news. Despite making a superior drive (based on the BB report) at the larger sizes I still see more putting WD in their computers on end-user forums such as overclock. Even more than the clearly better HGST stuff.
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No, Seagate hasn't improved on WD. You aren't reading the report correctly. Also, you should read (actually read the entire reports, not glance at a chart or two) the last two or three reports to get a more accurate idea of what is going on.

Good grief, stop with the WD fanboy junk. You keep referring to the full report yet the full report says the exact same thing as the nice little charts. Seagate's reliability is improving, WD is getting worse, and HGST is still the best by a significant margin...

Sigh! You still don't "get it". I, and others have explained this several times in this and other threads and I have better things to do than rehash it. If you choose to continue to ignore the facts, good luck with that.
     
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None of that data is useful. They're using hardware in ways that it was never intended to be used, it breaks on them, and then they complain about it. It would be like me deciding I wanted to try 4K gaming, but didn't want to upgrade my CPU, and buying dual Fury X cards while running my 860K at 6 GHz and 1.8v, and then complaining when the 860K fried in a week.

It's been years since I've had a mechanical HDD kick the bucket, but that's because I don't use them in enterprise-class servers that they don't belong in.

that depends on the person reading and how they use it or take it. for some of us in semi enterprise environments these are some what helpful. also a lot of folks with home labs use the backblaze data. they flat out mention in some reports that these drives are not meant for enterprise and it's assumed folks reading this know better. in the end it's just reports on durable certain models are vs numbers of drives used in heavy usage environments and nothing more. how that data is used is up to the reader, if it's used.
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that depends on the person reading and how they use it or take it. for some of us in semi enterprise environments these are some what helpful. also a lot of folks with home labs use the backblaze data. they flat out mention in some reports that these drives are not meant for enterprise and it's assumed folks reading this know better. in the end it's just reports on durable certain models are vs numbers of drives used in heavy usage environments and nothing more. how that data is used is up to the reader, if it's used.

Exactly. For some of us Seagate are not to be touched and BackBlaze's reports "confirm" this. For others it's Western Digital and the reports "go against" that. True enough, very few of us own a StoragePod or anything like it but it doesn't take a genius to work out that HGST make pretty hardy drives. Also, as others have said the high failure rates pertain to certain models - I have heard from multiple sources that Seagate's 15K SAS gear has excellent build quality; their consumer products? Not so much. However, their NAS drives don't appear to have attracted any vitriol so they have found their way onto my shopping list. smile.gif
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Exactly. For some of us Seagate are not to be touched and BackBlaze's reports "confirm" this. For others it's Western Digital and the reports "go against" that. True enough, very few of us own a StoragePod or anything like it but it doesn't take a genius to work out that HGST make pretty hardy drives. Also, as others have said the high failure rates pertain to certain models - I have heard from multiple sources that Seagate's 15K SAS gear has excellent build quality; their consumer products? Not so much. However, their NAS drives don't appear to have attracted any vitriol so they have found their way onto my shopping list. smile.gif

Depends on the model bud. WD makes great drives but, there RED 6TB drives drop like Flies, I've talked with other Techs that have deployed them in DVR systems and they all die. I wouldn't call a DVR enterprise case usage but, would consider it above normal usage. Indeed the HGST drives they have tested so far are pretty good. Can't say i have tested or used the Seagate 15K drives or talked to any one who has.
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http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/02/17/56224-hard-drives-later-backblaze-finds-western-digital-disks-most-likely-to-fail/

First time ive ever seen WD topping failure rates.

No way. I call lies.

oh yea, just all of a sudden of this whole deal didn't go through, shenanigans, I call BS too lol,
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Depends on the model bud. WD makes great drives but, there RED 6TB drives drop like Flies, I've talked with other Techs that have deployed them in DVR systems and they all die. I wouldn't call a DVR enterprise case usage but, would consider it above normal usage.

Just because it's not sitting in a 42U doesn't mean it's not enterprise. tongue.gif A drive that size wouldn't be in a commercial PVR, so I can only surmise that the DVR is a surveillance unit. On topic though, I feel that 6TB drives are walking the same road as 3TB drives (i.e., as 8TB drives that didn't pass QC and yet are still recouping the research costs) and will spend a lot of time suffering the same fate.
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Do you guys use the DEVSLP or manual head parking in Windows power plan? You know the one, where you can choose how long before the hard disk drive turns off. Most issues happen cause of drives spinning 24/7. Let it sleep!
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