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And a stock 880K will match a stock i3 4370, not bad for a cheap amd chip to equal a quit a bit more expensive intel chip :-)
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post #212 of 234
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I will be a little rude... A little bit better than an old i3 sandy bridge ? 860k overclocked to 4.5 matches my 2500k at stock

.. for only thrice its price. GG mate. (And 2500k is no i3, it has 4 cores, as 860k. We all already know Intel ipc is better, no need to throw yourself in an open door... which has been opened and opened for like a century already)
post #213 of 234
OK. That actually are pretty decent performance coming from that little chip! Personally I am pretty excited about zen.My backup gpu died couple days ago so I am forced to use my backup backup gpu(hd3850)frown.gif steel didn't decided about board so in middle of the next week I am purchasing new board and gpu:)
What is gaming alike with this CPU?
post #214 of 234
Gaming with the 845 is relatively poor compared to other FM2+ chips thanks to the small L2 cache.
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You bought a cheap cpu and have been crying about it for months. Who twisted your arm to buy it? Why didn't you research it first? Now you blame people on this forum? Nobody likes whiners or crybabies. Start acting like a man instead of a three year old.


I appreciated all the work done in terms of benchmarks by members on this thread so its not an insult to them or their work at all.

The point being is that its basically a Sempron man. You remember the old Sempron 140 that could unlock to a dual core for like 30 bucks? That was value and I loved tinkering with that chip as I have with alot of AMD ones from the past. I remember when I was dirt poor first starting college and the Socket A Sempron 2200 allowed me to enjoy San Andreas on an extreme budget on a Via chipset.

I DID do research on this but alot of the slides were wrong and changed after it was released and I almost was tempted to email the editor on it. I think one site had the legit ones and I thought they were probably wrong since how could it be worse than a 860k? There wasn't much press for it as all we knew is that there was a low clocked Excavator in some Dell OEM's but we weren't sure what the final clock speed and cache would be on the 845.

After all was said and done the 860k was like 15 dollars higher when the 845 came out so it wasn't worth waiting to get over a 860k if you were on a 7600 level APU or worse. Also alot of FM2+ motherboards don't support Carrizo out of the box so thats a problem for noobs over chosing the 860k.

If you remember back in the day AMD unloaded alot of BE-2400 AM2 chips for like 20 bucks on Newegg in 2009 so I am just baffled at why AMD had this priced at a level that made no sense compared to its own offering and the Intel ones.

Like I said 49.99 and slap the Sempron name on it and I have no problems with it being on the market.
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I appreciated all the work done in terms of benchmarks by members on this thread so its not an insult to them or their work at all.

The point being is that its basically a Sempron man. You remember the old Sempron 140 that could unlock to a dual core for like 30 bucks? That was value and I loved tinkering with that chip as I have with alot of AMD ones from the past. I remember when I was dirt poor first starting college and the Socket A Sempron 2200 allowed me to enjoy San Andreas on an extreme budget on a Via chipset.

I DID do research on this but alot of the slides were wrong and changed after it was released and I almost was tempted to email the editor on it. I think one site had the legit ones and I thought they were probably wrong since how could it be worse than a 860k? There wasn't much press for it as all we knew is that there was a low clocked Excavator in some Dell OEM's but we weren't sure what the final clock speed and cache would be on the 845.

After all was said and done the 860k was like 15 dollars higher when the 845 came out so it wasn't worth waiting to get over a 860k if you were on a 7600 level APU or worse. Also alot of FM2+ motherboards don't support Carrizo out of the box so thats a problem for noobs over chosing the 860k.

If you remember back in the day AMD unloaded alot of BE-2400 AM2 chips for like 20 bucks on Newegg in 2009 so I am just baffled at why AMD had this priced at a level that made no sense compared to its own offering and the Intel ones.

Like I said 49.99 and slap the Sempron name on it and I have no problems with it being on the market.

With all due respect, you must have been absent for the 4 last years, not seeing that Sempron disappeared (appart from AM1 which kind of disappeared too lately..) from the market, leaving FX & AY apus as best brands, thus retrograding Athlon to being the cheap alternative.

We're at a time where AMD struggles to sell athlons which are being the cheap alternative.
We're at a time where even you judged Athlon performance-lacking.
How the hell do you see AMD releasing a sempron right now? Who in his right mind would buy anything inferior to the current Athlon offer? Seriously?

OK, so you want us to rename the Athlon to Sempron, so what now? No Athlon alive, does it change anything redface.gif?

The chip is not so far appart from the others athlon, he is even on front in a lot of benchmarking, while being technically poorer. It's nice to see this kind of progress.

At the time, maybe a 20$ chip was cheaper to produce, and amount to a lot of less things doable for the consumer seriously. One tiny core, with lower frequency, against now a 4 cores, strongly probably more expensive to produce which might even use less power. Honestly? I agree with a lot of people on this thread, no need to brag for this poor little chip.

It may not be the gamer-chip, but you can do a lot more than at the time with this one, on browsing and office. A L-O-T M-O-R-E. Which for me explains value.
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post #217 of 234
As a owner of 845 and 860k this is my impressions: stock vs stock 845 wins hand's down. In fpu applications you will need 4.3ghz to match stock 845. 845 at my maximum oc of 4.050 MHz scored more in fpu benchmarks than 860k at 4.5ghz(845 at 4050 ~ 860k at 4.700mhz). In gaming benches 845 at 4050 ~ 860k at 4200 MHz.
PS. about gaming with 845 there is some strange behaviour. It is throttling down to 35 multi. I observed those behavior on multiple occasions,not with programs but with wall volt meter,and in some games this is not happening and fps is actually quite high. Can someone explains this behavior because I'm out of ideas.
post #218 of 234
Hmmm 35x is the default base clock for the 845. People complained about downclocking from 38x to 35x even when leaving the bclk alone. You are not the first one to report that problem, but I forget what was the solution.

But I think it happens when you exceed a certain TDP limit.
post #219 of 234
Has the ipc been raised on the 845 since its better clock for clock? Though the chip was identical to the 860 just with less cache.
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No. The ipc on 845 is better. In CPUz 845 at 4050 single thread score is 1289 860k at 4300 is 1240, in passmark 9.0 beta 845 at 4050 scored 1988 860k at 4300 scored 1886. Multi thread score is also much better than kaveri. But 845 have strange behavior in games it tends to down clock it self to 35 multi in majority of games.
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