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The status quo should not be confused with the ideal.

Modules are an excellent idea for smartphones. They allow for a single high end base phone to be made, and then customized to the individual's need. With some intelligent design all modules can share the same form factor and connections, meaning that any configuration will still be compatible with cases, screen protectors, and other accessories.

The conventional alternative is to make 50 different phone models, all with mostly common features, each with slightly different strengths and weaknesses. Various market factors combined with rushed and poorly thought out design result in 40 of those 50 models becoming immediately irrelevant, even to the niche they were designed to cater to. This is incredibly wasteful, and results in very few real choices for the customer and higher overall prices due to funding failed designs with the profits of successful ones.

Agreed that modules are an excellent idea considering waste and a more efficient way to upgrade versus coming up with 40 to 50 different phones for it. Its just that LGs implementation is a half assed way since all it does is give add on modules that the base phone already has. It can't really upgrade the screen, CPU, GPU, camera, etc. unlike Project ARA. Now that's how modular phones should be. That phone I will definitely get if it ever comes out!
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Oh, I definitely understand the difference (hence the /s) I just don't see the practical difference for myself right now. I only very recently left the wireless industry, and have been swapping phones every 2mo for 3 years, and enjoyed the incremental upgrades available by doing so, and also having the practical experience with most of the brands. So I guess I am just burned out on release cycles.

I am sure there will be big numbers thrown around about how improved the 820 is, I've just become skeptical about the diminishing returns as we are looking at shaving milliseconds off the tasks we do on our devices.

I've had pretty much every flagship snapdragon derived phone released in Canada in the past three years, so I'm not just pulling this opinion out of thin air. I truly believe the G4 and 6p will take care of me for some time to come.

Im pretty sure the main advertising point of the 820 so far has been a small performance boost with significant battery savings over last gen. And Im all for battery savings without killing all performance biggrin.gif
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Agreed that modules are an excellent idea considering waste and a more efficient way to upgrade versus coming up with 40 to 50 different phones for it. Its just that LGs implementation is a half assed way since all it does is give add on modules that the base phone already has. It can't really upgrade the screen, CPU, GPU, camera, etc. unlike Project ARA. Now that's how modular phones should be. That phone I will definitely get if it ever comes out!

Agreed, but do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Even as redundant as the current offerings may be, they are a step towards a better end goal, and one which likely to be ultimately more successful than trying to jump straight into full modular design straight away.

What starts here as a phone with a camera and a DAC with one module connection point for either an upgraded camera or upgraded DAC, if successful, will likely become a phone with no DAC and no camera but two module spots which can be fitted with either one, both, a low end lowcost version of both, neither and just additional battery space, a secondary always on energy efficient OLED display, an upgraded loudspeaker, some other module I've yet to mention, or some combination of the aforementioned in the next model. It doesn't take long for the concept to become a truly practical implementation if it is met with praise instead of rejection.

On the other hand, if everyone poos all over this because it isn't perfect yet, then it likely never will be. No company is willing to invest money into a proven failure, even if it was only "proven" by shortsightedness.
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Agreed, but do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Even as redundant as the current offerings may be, they are a step towards a better end goal, and one which likely to be ultimately more successful than trying to jump straight into full modular design straight away.

What starts here as a phone with a camera and a DAC with one module connection point for either an upgraded camera or upgraded DAC, if successful, will likely become a phone with no DAC and no camera but two module spots which can be fitted with either, both, or just additional battery space in the next model. It doesn't take long for the concept to become a truly practical implementation if it is met with praise instead of rejection.

On the other hand, if everyone poos all over this because it isn't perfect yet, then it likely never will be. No company is willing to invest money into a proven failure, even if it was only "proven" by shortsightedness.

The future is no modularity. Its about Integration. Its not about choice. Its about having it all. We get phones often enough and from many companies. We can get the phone best tailored to our needs. Considering everything else in 6 months G5 will be forgotten by LG like every other phone they make. What then? We should not need to get a dedicated DAC. To begin with most people use phones outside where quality of Audio is negated by ambient noise. The Camera grip is about as good as iPhone 6S case. You do not need to trash. Add a dedicated button and put a battery like GS7.
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My biggest gripe with this modular approach is that of both aesthetic and functional concern. Aesthetically the G5 leaves much to be desired and the removal of the bottom of the phone cheapens the overall design of the phone much like removable back covers do IMO (important to note the "IMO" here). Functionally you are not going to be able to do things like water proofing with this kind of design and customers will have to keep up with all these modules that allow for the different functionality; something I don't feel the average user is going to be doing after the first month or so of ownership. Sure there is a niche market for a device like this but I think the popularity of devices such as the iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 show that the majority of people are more interested in design and a premium look/feel than they are in gimmicks. I mean, judging by the amount of whining and crying I have seen online over the omission of such features as a removable battery and no expandable storage you'd think that everyone demanded these features from their phones yet the two best selling phones of 2015 (iPhone 6 and GS6) had neither of these features. Apparently when it comes time to actually purchase a phone good old design and premium quality still trumps most everything else....
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My biggest gripe with this modular approach is that of both aesthetic and functional concern. Aesthetically the G5 leaves much to be desired and the removal of the bottom of the phone cheapens the overall design of the phone much like removable back covers do IMO (important to note the "IMO" here). Functionally you are not going to be able to do things like water proofing with this kind of design and customers will have to keep up with all these modules that allow for the different functionality; something I don't feel the average user is going to be doing after the first month or so of ownership. Sure there is a niche market for a device like this but I think the popularity of devices such as the iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 show that the majority of people are more interested in design and a premium look/feel than they are in gimmicks. I mean, judging by the amount of whining and crying I have seen online over the omission of such features as a removable battery and no expandable storage you'd think that everyone demanded these features from their phones yet the two best selling phones of 2015 (iPhone 6 and GS6) had neither of these features. Apparently when it comes time to actually purchase a phone good old design and premium quality still trumps most everything else....

Something people keep mentioning is the inconvenience of carrying around several modules. I agree that would be inconvenient, if one were to actually carry them around, but why would someone do that? You deck out the phone the way you want it, and then you're done. No need to carry the ones you aren't using, unless you actually think you'll have a reason to switch.
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Something people keep mentioning is the inconvenience of carrying around several modules. I agree that would be inconvenient, if one were to actually carry them around, but why would someone do that? You deck out the phone the way you want it, and then you're done. No need to carry the ones you aren't using, unless you actually think you'll have a reason to switch.

Are you really going to walk around using your phone normally with that ridiculous camera module attached? That thing would obviously have to be carried around to be used only when you wanted the camera functionality and then replaced by the regular phone module when finished, or so i would imagine...
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Are you really going to walk around using your phone normally with that ridiculous camera module attached? That thing would obviously have to be carried around to be used only when you wanted the camera functionality and then replaced by the regular phone module when finished, or so i would imagine...

Would I personally keep the camera module attached? No, because I don't care about having a high end camera on my phone to begin with. I wouldn't even buy that module to begin with.

That said, I would absolutely keep the DAC module attached at all times, yes. If I had some reason to want a high end camera attached to my phone, I would have no problem keeping that attached either.

I'm not a tiny asian girl, I don't wear skinny jeans, and I don't put my phone in my butt pocket. I have no need for my phone to be tiny, in fact I'd prefer phones to be a little thicker than they currently are, as they are unreasonably flat and thin to be comfortably held in our roughly round human fists. The only exception would be if it prevented me from using a protective case (which, granted, the currently implementation probably will have this issue).
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Are you really going to walk around using your phone normally with that ridiculous camera module attached? That thing would obviously have to be carried around to be used only when you wanted the camera functionality and then replaced by the regular phone module when finished, or so i would imagine...

I highly doubt ANYONE would ever use it that way. You want to take a pic? Take a pic. If you think you need to shut the phone down, swap the module in, boot the phone up, launch the camera, all just to take a picture then you are doing it wrong. The camera module doesnt even add a better camera at all! It uses the built in camera and just adds a shutter button and a zoom wheel along with larger battery. Quality is no different whatsoever.
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Are you really going to walk around using your phone normally with that ridiculous camera module attached? That thing would obviously have to be carried around to be used only when you wanted the camera functionality and then replaced by the regular phone module when finished, or so i would imagine...

It's a battery with perks for the camera. Camera remains unchanged regardless of module.
    
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