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40% is not a 'very small minority'. 
Oh christ not this again doh.gif
After ESA had released their load of generic 50% female gamers nonsense a few years ago, I thought it had already made abundantly clear how utterly irrelevant those types of statistics are for gauging which gender is actually playing what kinds of games.

Here's something that gives a slightly more realistic glimpse of reality - a simple unofficial survey done on Star Wars Battlefront (typical AAA shooter) reddit with a sample size of just over 2000: https://imgur.com/a/MXpst



Now you could argue that 2000 wasn't a big enough sample size, or that reddit has a higher percentage of males, or that people lied in the survey, or whatever other excuse one can conjure to explain the insane gender discrepancy.
But it's just downright silly to bring up that "40-50% female gamers" statistic in a thread about GTA.

We have ventured into the realm of the ridiculous. One of the people who taught me how to play Quake 3 was a female. In EVE Online one of the factions most prolific Fleet Commanders was a woman. While these games are male dominated WoW, for example, is not.

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FF14 does have a high percentage of actual female players, in one clan I was in had about 50% females(confirmed females from using ts3), and my current clan is more around 15-20%, which imo is much higher than other games that I have played. Out of most fps, and tps I have played I encountered numerous females on Gears of War. Besides these two games 95%+ of the people I talked to and played with were males.
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FF14 does have a high percentage of actual female players, in one clan I was in had about 50% females(confirmed females from using ts3), and my current clan is more aorund 15-20%, which imo is much higher than other games that I have played. Out of most fps, and tps I have played I encountered numerous females on Gears of War. Besides these two games 95%+ of the people I talked to and played with were males.

 

It's as the studies have concluded. MMO's attract many female gamers, as do single-player console games. Venture into the realms of MOBA and FPS and female participation declines. Given the kinds of things I see people say to each other in CS or LoL one can hardly blame most female gamers for avoiding those games/genres like the plague. GTA has been something that many women have played; it's sandbox fun, not an internet measuring contest.

 

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We have ventured into the realm of the ridiculous. One of the people who taught me how to play Quake 3 was a female. In EVE Online one of the factions most prolific Fleet Commanders was a woman. While these games are male dominated WoW, for example, is not.

 

 

In The Secret World I've met more end-game female players than any game I'd tried previously. In a guild of over 150 people, more than half of people in Teamspeak at any given time are female.


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First of all, I'm soooo sorry that I wasn't here years ago when you "made it abundantly clear"
Not me.

http://www.gamezone.com/originals/looking-deeper-than-the-48-of-gamers-are-women-stat
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that female gamers exist in the same percentage as attack helicopters. Lord knows I'm a fool for disagreeing with that kind of hard science, but here I am.
Well I guess the small amount of humor in the survey flew right over your head like an attack helicopter tongue.gif
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MMO's attract lots of female gamers, many of whom you'd never know are female because they don't advertise it. Gee, I wonder why.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up MMO's in a thread about GTA.

Last time I checked GTA wasn't an MMO.
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Women are less present in competitive online gaming because the communities are often absolute cesspools. That doesn't mean we're absent from those scenes,
I never said they were absent...?
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Console/handheld gaming attracts lots of female gamers. Maybe if you weren't so dismissive and presumptive you'd meet some of these people. 
Not sure what that has to do with GTA either.
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We have ventured into the realm of the ridiculous. One of the people who taught me how to play Quake 3 was a female. In EVE Online one of the factions most prolific Fleet Commanders was a woman. While these games are male dominated WoW, for example, is not.
Speaking of Eve Online...96% male players, stated by the devs themselves nerdsmiley.png
http://www.destructoid.com/boy-s-club-why-don-t-more-women-play-eve-online--254710.phtml
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Nobody, myself included, has denied that the majority of violent criminals are male. What I take issue with is the idea that there are no female criminals outside of spousal revenge murders, when that is patently false.

As an example, in my country:

"The most common offence group for which both all males and all females were arrested during the five year period was violence against the person (34 per cent of females and 31 per cent of males arrested in 2010/11). " https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/220081/statistics-women-cjs-2011-v2.pdf

The overall number of offenders and thus the greater percentage is male. But within the confines of those arrested, there exist similar percentages of violent crime charges.

Exactly my point. Why should the lead be female when reality says the majority of the type are male?
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That would be amazing on so many levels.

I'm just amazed by the response, honestly. Genuinely amazed.

Amazed because people want to retain some form of realism to the story?
    
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Apologies for responding to what you wrote. 

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I thought it had already made abundantly clear how utterly irrelevant those types of statistics are for gauging which gender is actually playing what kinds of games.

 

The humour didn't quite land. I brought up MMO's and console games because, as I remember it, GTA has always been released on the consoles, and GTA V has an entire MMO component. These are the kinds of games that many women play, ergo women gamers might find GTA more compelling than Battlefront. I know that I do.

     
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Exactly my point. Why should the lead be female when reality says the majority of the type are male?

Amazed because people want to retain some form of realism to the story?

 

Because change is good, and because a female protagonist could make sense with the story. It could be interesting. If you don't find anything about her perspective interesting, it would still be a game primarily about stealing a limitless number of cars whilst gunning down half of the city the game is set in.

 

As for realism, see above. What struck you as particularly realistic about CJ stealing a plane, parachuting (or using a bloody jetpack) with two Tek-9's in hand to slaughter 60 members of a rival gang. How many real crime sprees do you know of that involved 12 stolen cars followed by a shootout with police using rocket launchers pulled from the individual's back pocket followed by a neat and tidy escape into an apartment in front of the bleeding police?

 

I guess I missed the part about GTA being 100% Statistically Likely and Realistic Crime Simulator.

     
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Because change is good, and because a female protagonist could make sense with the story. It could be interesting. If you don't find anything about her perspective interesting, it would still be a game primarily about stealing a limitless number of cars whilst gunning down half of the city the game is set in.

As for realism, see above. What struck you as particularly realistic about CJ stealing a plane, parachuting (or using a bloody jetpack) with two Tek-9's in hand to slaughter 60 members of a rival gang. How many real crime sprees do you know of that involved 12 stolen cars followed by a shootout with police using rocket launchers pulled from the individual's back pocket followed by a neat and tidy escape into an apartment in front of the bleeding police?

I guess I missed the part about GTA being 100% Statistically Likely and Realistic Crime Simulator.

Change is good? That's neither a good nor logical reason.

And if it's totally out the window with realism because the protagonist can carry an arsenal of weapons and ammo, why don't we make every car pink and put permanent rainbows in the sky with pink and purple clouds, because change is good. Get real. Give me a good, logical reason the lead character should be female and tell me how it makes sense. Remember a good story is a believable story, of which all GTA's have had.
    
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Change is good? That's neither a good nor logical reason.

And if it's totally out the window with realism because the protagonist can carry an arsenal of weapons and ammo, why don't we make every car pink and put permanent rainbows in the sky with pink and purple clouds, because change is good. Get real. Give me a good, logical reason the lead character should be female and tell me how it makes sense. Remember a good story is a believable story, of which all GTA's have had.

 

It's the best reason anybody could give without the context of a story mate. I've reiterated several times in this thread that if the story fits the character, a female protagonist would be interesting. I've just been consistently amazed by the vitriolic response to the idea of a female lead in GTA in the complete absence of a plot. Without a story concept how can anybody conclusively state that x or y makes no sense? It's a knee-jerk response, and that's all I've been saying.

     
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It's the best reason anybody could give without the context of a story mate. I've reiterated several times in this thread that if the story fits the character, a female protagonist would be interesting. I've just been consistently amazed by the vitriolic response to the idea of a female lead in GTA in the complete absence of a plot. Without a story concept how can anybody conclusively state that x or y makes no sense? It's a knee-jerk response, and that's all I've been saying.

Yet you fail to provide that example. Maybe the reason there is a "vitriolic" response is because people can't think of a plot or story pertaining to GTA that would fit a female lead character. It's been tried time and time again. It's not engaging. It's not realistic. It's not believable. It's not immersive. It's not traditional. Take your pick. Hardly a knee jerk response. More like an expected response from anybody who's been out in the real world.

If the best reason you have is change is good, I'm sorry but you have no argument.
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