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post #21 of 40
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Originally Posted by toolmaker03 View Post

a few pic of the water loop can go a long way to helping us help you. biggrin.gif

a camera pic, or anything will help.
if the looks of the water loop are this issue, I have some of the worst looking loops. thumb.gif
Pictures coming right up smile.gif

This is the best I can do for now, tell me if there is something I need to clarify.

To recap, the loop goes as follows.

Water direction
Pump/X-res -> ST30 -> CPU -> GPU -> Monsta -> Pump/X-res




The last picture is taken with flash on, to make it clearer.
post #22 of 40
question is the pump on top of the reservoir?no it is not
it looks like the water flow is through the pump and the res sits on top of the pump?
I am not used to a res configuration like this, I have seen it but have never done it.
I like the input on my tube res to be at the top of the res and it feeds the pump at the bottom.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 2/25/16 at 12:36pm
post #23 of 40
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question is the pump on top of the reservoir?
No, its one of these:

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-xres-140-d5-vario-incl-pump
post #24 of 40
Here's an easy test for you. Do temps get a lot better with case side off? If yes, your not pushing enough cool air into system. Get a big side fan , go back to top rad exhaust, and realize that top rad will still be less efficient than bottom.

By pointing top rad down, your most likely going to get worse temps, air has no place to go. 360 bottom in, 360 top in, no output! Air is just leaking out wherever, instead of being directed. Even with a 120 or 140 mm back exhaust fan, your pushing 1/6th of the hot air out.

My point is, you need to be mixing some cool air back into airstream after 360 inlet rad, to counter some of the heat you just introduced into the airstream, before it gets to the top rad.
Edited by ShortBtwnHdset - 2/25/16 at 4:04pm
post #25 of 40
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Here's an easy test for you. Do temps get a lot better with case side off? If yes, your not pushing enough cool air into system. Get a big side fan , go back to top rad exhaust, and realize that top rad will still be less efficient than bottom.

By pointing top rad down, your most likely going to get worse temps, air has no place to go. 360 bottom in, 360 top in, no output! Air is just leaking out wherever, instead of being directed. Even with a 120 or 140 mm back exhaust fan, your pushing 1/6th of the hot air out.

My point is, you need to be mixing some cool air back into airstream after 360 inlet rad, to counter some of the heat you just introduced into the airstream, before it gets to the top rad.
I will test this later today.

I reset the configuration to my initial one, with intake at the bottom and exhaust at the top. I can't put a fan on the side, its an Enthoo Primo. The only place I can put a fan is one at the rear of the case and one single one in the front.

My issue with this is that i seem to be the only one having these kind of issues with the case/setup, I'm not the first one to put a Monsta at the bottom and a radiator at the top.
Similar configurations does not seem to have this problem, evident by Magneks post (and others).

Again, these radiators should have no problems whatsoever with barely 400W of heat. Which is why im puzzled.

I do appreciate all the help i'm getting by everyone, thank you.
post #26 of 40
I still think it is a water flow issue.

here have a look at this.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1573189/serial-vs-parallel-9-6lpm
it may help, or it may not, but it never hurts to look.
post #27 of 40
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I still think it is a water flow issue.

here have a look at this.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1573189/serial-vs-parallel-9-6lpm
it may help, or it may not, but it never hurts to look.
It's an interesting thought.
But I feel I already tested this with maxing out the D5. There was no temperature difference from increasing the notches from 2.5 to 5.
post #28 of 40
correct, if there is a point in the loop that is restricting it to lets say, for example only, at 2LPM, than increasing the pump will only increase the pressure in the system, while at the same time only increasing flow rate by a small amount lets say .1LPM to .2LPM, I have seen this to be true, even if I added a second pump to the serial loop configuration of my system the total flow rate on that system would only increase to 2.7LPM.

with my system configured as a serial loop with only one pump at the 5 setting it could only flow at 2.4LPM.
but as a parallel loop the same system with only one pump at the 5 setting the system could flow at 6.8LPM.
for me the restriction point was my GPU water block.
but for you it may be something different, do you have any sections of tubing that are starting to squeeze together while the system is running? if so this is clear indication of restriction in the loop.
if you do have a section of tubing that has started to collapse, what ever is before that section of tubing could be the culprit.

EDIT, so crank the pump up to the 5 setting and let it run, then look for any sections of tubing that might be starting to squeeze together.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 2/26/16 at 10:57am
post #29 of 40
One other thing to check. If I got your meaning right, you have 1 more fan mount besides the rear fan, right?

Put an inlet fan there, make your rear fan an inlet as well. Temps will likely go up on your voltage regulators (stuck at top of motherboard, likely behind top radiator), but this might give you an idea of what mixing some fresh air back into airstream could do.
Hope you figure it out!
post #30 of 40
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correct, if there is a point in the loop that is restricting it to lets say, for example only, at 2LPM, than increasing the pump will only increase the pressure in the system, while at the same time only increasing flow rate by a small amount lets say .1LPM to .2LPM, I have seen this to be true, even if I added a second pump to the serial loop configuration of my system the total flow rate on that system would only increase to 2.7LPM.

with my system configured as a serial loop with only one pump at the 5 setting it could only flow at 2.4LPM.
but as a parallel loop the same system with only one pump at the 5 setting the system could flow at 6.8LPM.
for me the restriction point was my GPU water block.
but for you it may be something different, do you have any sections of tubing that are starting to squeeze together while the system is running? if so this is clear indication of restriction in the loop.
if you do have a section of tubing that has started to collapse, what ever is before that section of tubing could be the culprit.

EDIT, so crank the pump up to the 5 setting and let it run, then look for any sections of tubing that might be starting to squeeze together.
I do have a bit of a weird angle going from the pump to the top radiator, im going to experiment with the speed and angle and se what happens.

As an initial inspection, it does not look kinked or bent.
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Originally Posted by ShortBtwnHdset View Post

One other thing to check. If I got your meaning right, you have 1 more fan mount besides the rear fan, right?

Put an inlet fan there, make your rear fan an inlet as well. Temps will likely go up on your voltage regulators (stuck at top of motherboard, likely behind top radiator), but this might give you an idea of what mixing some fresh air back into airstream could do.
Hope you figure it out!
Unfortunately, I only have a single fan mount at the rear. But I shall put my 140 there as an intake at full speed.

http://www.phanteks.com/images/product/Enthoo-Primo-SE/White/Primo-17z.jpg
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