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Updated 2/24/2016
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Resivor: EK-RES X3 150 Lite Reservoir
CPU Block: XSPC Raystorm Pro CPU Waterblock
GPU Block: VID-NXTTNX Water Block (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti, TITAN X Video Card) / Back Plate for VID-NXTTNX Water Block (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti, TITAN X Video Card)
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x2 QD3 Male Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling, Compression for 13mm x 19mm (1/2in x 3/4in)
x2 QD3 Female Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling, Compression for 13mm x 19mm (1/2in x 3/4in)
x1 Dual VID Connector, Adjustable 1 Slot Spacing
x25 Tubing, 1ft (305mm) Clear UV-Reactive PVC, 13mm x 19mm (1/2in x 3/4in)
x3 Koolance LIQ-702 Liquid Coolant Bottle, High-Performance, 700mL (Colorless)
x4 PWM Female to 3 x PWM Male Computer Case Fan Splitter Power Connector Black Sleeved Adapter Cable
x2 Phobya Extension Cable, 4-Pin (PWM), 90cm, Sleeved, Black

Total Cost $1,900

Is there anything I am missing from this list or anything that just wont work together?
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Original Setup Idea

Case: Fractal R2 XL
MB: Asus X99 Deluxe
CPU: 5960X
GPU: Titan X x2 (might go to x3)
Intel 750 SSD (AIC add in card)

The CPU has a H100i everything else is air cooled. I am debating two options.

One thing to note, I really prefer to order most of my stuff from one place.

Option #1 Go with a external pre built system Koolance ERM-3K3UC and use all Koolance cold plates etc. Total cost about $1,800.

I know people will hate this option because its expensive and not really custom to some degree. I don't care as much about price as performance, ease of use and noise factor.

Option #2 Go with a custom system from EK total cost about $900. Here is what I have priced out so far, feel free to see if I am missing anything. Total cost about $950 on this option.

EK-Supremacy EVO X99 - Full Nickel
EK-FC Titan X - Acetal+Nickel 2
EK-ACF Fitting 10/16mm - Black 8
EK-AF Angled 45° G1/4 Black Nickel 3
EK-AF Angled 2×45° G1/4 Black 1
TUBE PrimoChill PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ 15,9 / 9,5mm - Crystal Clear RETAIL 3m
EK-Cable Y-Splitter 3-Fan DC (10cm)
EK-ATX Bridging Plug (24 pin)
EK-Cable Temperature Probe 10k NTC (100cm)
GELID GC-Extreme thermal compound (3.5g) - BULK
EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM - Plexi (incl. pump)
EK-UNI Pump Bracket (120mm FAN) Vertical
EK-RES X3 250
EK-CoolStream XE 360 (Triple)
EK-CoolStream XE 240 (Double)
EK-Vardar F3-120 (1850rpm) 5

My main questions about this setup would be is the 2 rads I have listed going to be enough? Currently the titans run at about 83c on load. How loud is this going to be compared to my current air only system. Am I missing anything I need to get this system running?


Would love some input, I am looking to order in the next day or so for a build next week if possible.

Edited by elderan - 2/24/16 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by elderan View Post

Currently have

Case: Fractal R2 XL
MB: Asus X99 Deluxe
CPU: 5960X
GPU: Titan X x2 (might go to x3)
Intel 750 SSD (AIC add in card)

The CPU has a H100i everything else is air cooled. I am debating two options.

One thing to note, I really prefer to order most of my stuff from one place.

Option #1 Go with a external pre built system Koolance ERM-3K3UC/URL] and use all Koolance cold plates etc. Total cost about $1,800.

I know people will hate this option because its expensive and not really custom to some degree. I don't care as much about price as performance, ease of use and noise factor.

Option #2 Go with a custom system from EK total cost about $900. Here is what I have priced out so far, feel free to see if I am missing anything. Total cost about $950 on this option.

EK-Supremacy EVO X99 - Full Nickel
EK-FC Titan X - Acetal+Nickel 2
EK-ACF Fitting 10/16mm - Black 8
EK-AF Angled 45° G1/4 Black Nickel 3
EK-AF Angled 2×45° G1/4 Black 1
TUBE PrimoChill PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ 15,9 / 9,5mm - Crystal Clear RETAIL 3m
EK-Cable Y-Splitter 3-Fan DC (10cm)
EK-ATX Bridging Plug (24 pin)
EK-Cable Temperature Probe 10k NTC (100cm)
GELID GC-Extreme thermal compound (3.5g) - BULK
EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM - Plexi (incl. pump)
EK-UNI Pump Bracket (120mm FAN) Vertical
EK-RES X3 250
EK-CoolStream XE 360 (Triple)
EK-CoolStream XE 240 (Double)
EK-Vardar F3-120 (1850rpm) 5

My main questions about this setup would be is the 2 rads I have listed going to be enough? Currently the titans run at about 83c on load. How loud is this going to be compared to my current air only system. Am I missing anything I need to get this system running?


Would love some input, I am looking to order in the next day or so for a build next week if possible.

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Welcome to the forums!
Quote:
Originally Posted by elderan View Post

Currently have

Case: Fractal R2 XL
MB: Asus X99 Deluxe
CPU: 5960X
GPU: Titan X x2 (might go to x3)
Intel 750 SSD (AIC add in card)

The CPU has a H100i everything else is air cooled. I am debating two options.

One thing to note, I really prefer to order most of my stuff from one place.


I'd be reluctant to recommend going with a third Titan X - it depends on the games that you play. Remember that there are only a handful of games that scale well past 2 cards:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Fury-X-vs-NVIDIA-GTX-980-Ti-2-and-3-Way-Multi-GPU-Performance

It is important to keep in mind that it is frame time, not frame rate that matters the most for real game experience.
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Originally Posted by elderan View Post


Option #1 Go with a external pre built system Koolance ERM-3K3UC and use all Koolance cold plates etc. Total cost about $1,800.

I know people will hate this option because its expensive and not really custom to some degree. I don't care as much about price as performance, ease of use and noise factor.

Option #2 Go with a custom system from EK total cost about $900. Here is what I have priced out so far, feel free to see if I am missing anything. Total cost about $950 on this option. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

EK-Supremacy EVO X99 - Full Nickel
EK-FC Titan X - Acetal+Nickel 2
EK-ACF Fitting 10/16mm - Black 8
EK-AF Angled 45° G1/4 Black Nickel 3
EK-AF Angled 2×45° G1/4 Black 1
TUBE PrimoChill PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ 15,9 / 9,5mm - Crystal Clear RETAIL 3m
EK-Cable Y-Splitter 3-Fan DC (10cm)
EK-ATX Bridging Plug (24 pin)
EK-Cable Temperature Probe 10k NTC (100cm)
GELID GC-Extreme thermal compound (3.5g) - BULK
EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM - Plexi (incl. pump)
EK-UNI Pump Bracket (120mm FAN) Vertical
EK-RES X3 250
EK-CoolStream XE 360 (Triple)
EK-CoolStream XE 240 (Double)
EK-Vardar F3-120 (1850rpm) 5
My main questions about this setup would be is the 2 rads I have listed going to be enough? Currently the titans run at about 83c on load. How loud is this going to be compared to my current air only system. Am I missing anything I need to get this system running?


Would love some input, I am looking to order in the next day or so for a build next week if possible.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the Koolance system and think that there is a lot of value in being able to customize and upgrade your parts. I think you knew what I would say there.

As far as your parts go, you may want to consider something like the Swiftech PWM fan control system, depending on how many fans you are planning to use instead of the Y splitter. On the tubing, one option to consider is Tygon Norprene. It has that industrial black look, but it is very practical, albeit more expensive. It's a higher quality tubing that has the advantage of having a low water vapor transmission rate.

I'd actually recommend that you consider instead of upgrading the Titan X, to consider using the money to upgrade to a new case, which will allow for much more radiator space. At that kind of a budget, you may want to check out Case Labs. The reason why I say that is because in terms of overall build quality, I'd say they are on top and a case, although it will be expensive, is something that will last for many generations of upgrades.
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I would think that the two radiators would be enough for the two graphic cards and the cpu, although you may need to ramp up your fans a bit to keep temps where you would like them. More rad space would only allow you to run your fans at a lower (read quieter) speed while maintaining the same low temps as less rad space and faster fans.

Edit: Also consider these and these as quality fan alternatives. The fans you have picked out may be great, but not having used them, I could not vouch for them.
Edited by bob808 - 2/22/16 at 4:43pm
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Welcome to the forums!
I'd be reluctant to recommend going with a third Titan X - it depends on the games that you play. Remember that there are only a handful of games that scale well past 2 cards:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Fury-X-vs-NVIDIA-GTX-980-Ti-2-and-3-Way-Multi-GPU-Performance.

I have been researching some more and I am ok sticking with the 2 card system. It was going to be very tight with 3 GPUs and the Intel 750
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Personally, I'm not a fan of the Koolance system and think that there is a lot of value in being able to customize and upgrade your parts. I think you knew what I would say there.

I like the idea of allowing a large rad outside the box and simplifying things but I would agree that would get more bang for the buck doing it myself.
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As far as your parts go, you may want to consider something like the Swiftech PWM fan control system, depending on how many fans you are planning to use instead of the Y splitter. On the tubing, one option to consider is Tygon Norprene. It has that industrial black look, but it is very practical, albeit more expensive. It's a higher quality tubing that has the advantage of having a low water vapor transmission rate.

I'd actually recommend that you consider instead of upgrading the Titan X, to consider using the money to upgrade to a new case, which will allow for much more radiator space. At that kind of a budget, you may want to check out Case Labs. The reason why I say that is because in terms of overall build quality, I'd say they are on top and a case, although it will be expensive, is something that will last for many generations of upgrades.

I am not against getting a new case. I do love the Fractal and how silent it is though. I guess I would go with something like the Magnum STH10 or something, seems massive though. I will go ahead and add the Swiftech PWM to my build though, makes sense.
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You forgot to end your first URL tag, the whole text is a link wink.gif

Your whole quote is a link as well. lol
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I would think that the two radiators would be enough for the two graphic cards and the cpu, although you may need to ramp up your fans a bit to keep temps where you would like them. More rad space would only allow you to run your fans at a lower (read quieter) speed while maintaining the same low temps as less rad space and faster fans.

Edit: Also consider these and these as quality fan alternatives. The fans you have picked out may be great, but not having used them, I could not vouch for them.

Would these fans work? I have 5 brand new ones I ordered a few weeks back. I was going to replace all the fans inside my current setup with them.

Noctua NF-F12 PWM
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I guess I would go with something like the Magnum STH10 or something, seems massive though. I will go ahead and add the Swiftech PWM to my build though, makes sense.


If you enjoy quietness, the caselab wouldn't offer you that one compared to the Fractal XL.

Caselab case doesnt have any dampening material and you need to order the ventilated sides to let air in. If you use any solid sides, it MAY be quiet... but you're choking your fans of airflow.
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If you enjoy quietness, the caselab wouldn't offer you that one compared to the Fractal XL.

Caselab case doesnt have any dampening material and you need to order the ventilated sides to let air in. If you use any solid sides, it MAY be quiet... but you're choking your fans of airflow.

What about going with a large external rad box type system? Not really been able to find any good ones.
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