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@MickyPearce

If card is powering down I reckon you are hitting OCP on it.

PowerPlay TDP/TDC/MPDL/VRM Temp.Limit = throttling of GPU but no shutdown. VDDC VRM stock was 98°C, so at 99°C you saw throttling of clock and down volting of VDDC. In my testing of 55°C we saw at 56°C same behavior. So as mod ROM for you had 105°C you would get throttling at 106°C IMO.

IR3567B VR_Hot is 127°C, if reached = GPU throttling, as PowerPlay VRM Temp.Limits are lower those apply first. OTP is +7°C to VR_Hot (ie 134°C), if reached = GPU shutdown (IR3567B is not aware of VRM temp limit in PP AFAIK, so it's not 107+7=114 OTP).

So as OTP is 134°C I reckon no chance of shutdown due to that, but it was OCP (224A is Nano).

For a while I have thought Fiji was very good for perf.per watt, especially at higher res. When I read the Bit Tech review of RX 480 I asked reviewers on their forum what res was the Valley power test result on page 13 of review. They replied 1440P, now if on page 12 of review you view the 1440P Valley scores you will see Fury X scored 50% higher for 50% more total system power draw from wall biggrin.gif . Also have look at the 2nd image in heading Power consumption and efficiency, in ExtremeTech RX 480 review wink.gif .

Yeah, I reckon on Fiji AMD went as high as they could for stock clock, taking into account production variables.

@ht_addict

No idea if mod ROM will help you attain a better OC. Only thing I can say it will most definitely do for you is:-

i) set OC clocks/PL in ROM, so you don't require MSI AB, etc.
ii) when we use MSI AB, etc to add an offset to GPU voltage all GPU states are increased by that offset, with bios mod you can target only the highest state which you are OC'ing.
Edited by gupsterg - 10/11/16 at 8:32am
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post #1292 of 1773
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@MickyPearce

If card is powering down I reckon you are hitting OCP on it.

PowerPlay TDP/TDC/MPDL/VRM Temp.Limit = throttling of GPU but no shutdown. VDDC VRM stock was 98°C, so at 99°C you saw throttling of clock and down volting of VDDC. In my testing of 55°C we saw at 56°C same behavior. So as mod ROM for you had 105°C you would get throttling at 106°C IMO.

IR3567B VR_Hot is 127°C, if reached = GPU throttling, as PowerPlay VRM Temp.Limits are lower those apply first. OTP is +7°C to VR_Hot (ie 134°C), if reached = GPU shutdown (IR3567B is not aware of VRM temp limit in PP AFAIK, so it's not 107+7=114 OTP).

So as OTP is 134°C I reckon no chance of shutdown due to that, but it was OCP (224A is Nano).

For a while I have thought Fiji was very good for perf.per watt, especially at higher res. When I read the Bit Tech review of RX 480 I asked reviewers on their forum what res was the Valley power test result on page 13 of review. They replied 1440P, now if on page 12 of review you view the 1440P Valley scores you will see Fury X scored 50% higher for 50% more total system power draw from wall biggrin.gif . Also have look at the 2nd image in heading Power consumption and efficiency, in ExtremeTech RX 480 review wink.gif .

Yeah, I reckon on Fiji AMD went as high as they could for stock clock, taking into account production variables.

@ht_addict

No idea if mod ROM will help you attain a better OC. Only thing I can say it will most definitely do for you is:-

i) set OC clocks/PL in ROM, so you don't require MSI AB, etc.
ii) when we use MSI AB, etc to add an offset to GPU voltage all GPU states are increased by that offset, with bios mod you can target only the highest state which you are OC'ing.


Well you wont believe this but somehow - Fallout 4 - all settings maxed out at 4K is causing throttling and VRMs to hit 99 degrees - at friggin 1.081 effective volts and 950 mhz core. Its a full 15 degrees higher than Valley 4K - the app that drew the most power and generated the most heat until now.

How the heck is this even possible? F04 is seemingly drawing well over 50 watts or 30% more power than Valley 4K? at 1.08v and 950mhz....
post #1293 of 1773
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Well you wont believe this but somehow - Fallout 4 - all settings maxed out at 4K is causing throttling and VRMs to hit 99 degrees - at friggin 1.081 effective volts and 950 mhz core. Its a full 15 degrees higher than Valley 4K - the app that drew the most power and generated the most heat until now.

How the heck is this even possible? F04 is seemingly drawing well over 50 watts or 30% more power than Valley 4K? at 1.08v and 950mhz....

Sounds like a very high current draw that is dropping the supported voltage. Frequency is then dropping to a supportable level. VRM's @ 99C seem to indicate this. Perhaps Fallout 4 is making use of additional parts of the GPU that The Valley does not. VRM's support less current flow as temperatures rise.

I forget are you running a Nano?
post #1294 of 1773
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@MickyPearce

If card is powering down I reckon you are hitting OCP on it.

PowerPlay TDP/TDC/MPDL/VRM Temp.Limit = throttling of GPU but no shutdown. VDDC VRM stock was 98°C, so at 99°C you saw throttling of clock and down volting of VDDC. In my testing of 55°C we saw at 56°C same behavior. So as mod ROM for you had 105°C you would get throttling at 106°C IMO.

IR3567B VR_Hot is 127°C, if reached = GPU throttling, as PowerPlay VRM Temp.Limits are lower those apply first. OTP is +7°C to VR_Hot (ie 134°C), if reached = GPU shutdown (IR3567B is not aware of VRM temp limit in PP AFAIK, so it's not 107+7=114 OTP).

So as OTP is 134°C I reckon no chance of shutdown due to that, but it was OCP (224A is Nano).

For a while I have thought Fiji was very good for perf.per watt, especially at higher res. When I read the Bit Tech review of RX 480 I asked reviewers on their forum what res was the Valley power test result on page 13 of review. They replied 1440P, now if on page 12 of review you view the 1440P Valley scores you will see Fury X scored 50% higher for 50% more total system power draw from wall biggrin.gif . Also have look at the 2nd image in heading Power consumption and efficiency, in ExtremeTech RX 480 review wink.gif .

Yeah, I reckon on Fiji AMD went as high as they could for stock clock, taking into account production variables.

@ht_addict

No idea if mod ROM will help you attain a better OC. Only thing I can say it will most definitely do for you is:-

i) set OC clocks/PL in ROM, so you don't require MSI AB, etc.
ii) when we use MSI AB, etc to add an offset to GPU voltage all GPU states are increased by that offset, with bios mod you can target only the highest state which you are OC'ing.

So your saying all I need to change is DPM 7 to 1150 with the corresponding voltage?

post #1295 of 1773
Stick to ur stock Bios guys, it's about 15-20 % more efficient, put 1300v on DPM7 if you have to, which would only be 1.25 anyway but works better than DPM7 as 1250v. I tested everything thoroughly, I even found my new stock 1050 core perfect voltage for DPM7, and that was a DPM of 1136v, on this my max temps at 1050 is 38c 30% fan, now with edited Bios. And DPM 7-3. I don't like AMD broad brush of voltage for the worst fo cards while mine is above the average bin.

I made DPM4 be 1030v and clock to be what it was on this level, and that is 984 i think, what this gives me, thx to LLC, is average voltage of 1.000v at 984 MHz and mem is at 545. This is 8 % less performance than AMds stock clock and automatic voltages, and 150-165 watt on average based on Hwinfo64 sensors, and my guess on Aux and back ports i/o. Boyz that's about 130-150 watt drop.

I'm going to Crossfire, with new card coming in and that's why I'm downclocking and doesn't hurt that I only lose 8 % performance and gain 150-watt breathing room.

Also with a DPM of 1136v for 1050, every software works better, actually they scale now unlike with modded Bioses. at 1300/--->12500v stage 7 I can get 1180/545 clocks ! rock stable with nothing else added and much much less heat than if I were using mod Bioses. I'm not sure why i just know what works. If you guys remember few pages ago or so, I had come across some great stuff for Mod bios use! and I still back that if you choosing that route, and maybe it works better for u. For me, though, even after those fine tunes, stock bios won and is supreme after more days of testing.

Be careful editing DPMs, I suggest not going to 3 and below, and make use of that bios switch, I had to use it numerous times because I don't leave any stones unturned sort of speak. For increased efficiency for same clocks and less voltage, even less than my previous mod bios tips, try stock bios with increased powers and fine tuned DMP stages. And yeah, on 984, which you don't have to down the clock so low like me at all!, but on these low voltages, I found Fiji to be one of the most power efficient GPUs out there. They love low temps smile.gif

Oh and remember, (Saphire Trix) actually scales when you have the correct DPM voltages for your personal FIJI card, I get 1200mhz core with 180v added through Trix ontop of my 1136v DPM7, I know that 180 looks like a big number but it isnt, its really 1.26-8v and My temps are much lower than 12-13hex through modded Bioses and power is down from 380 watt on HWinfo to 350, which means less heat biggrin.gif

And to make use of low voltage DPM, you don't under volt through software. Instead, you just put in the clock of the DPM stage you want using Crimson or Trix, and the voltage will become that of the DPM in bios associated with that clock, so messing with voltage outside that for underclock will cause green screen and crashes! don't
EDIT( UPDATE)

The modded bioses provided here will work perfectly fine, and why weren't they? considering its all same pcb reference FuryX's right? I think it had to do with where they originally came from and what ASIC that card had and what it's DPM stages were, I've found Gups Bioses on here, where ever he got em from, cause artifact and bad scaling of software voltage and bad power efficiency. CUlprit must be what I said, it has to be due to the OEM power stages it's originally from since that differs from every card.
SOLUTION to modded Bioses, in a way that it scales and is efficient like your stock OEM is, fine tune DPM 7 - 4 at the very least, get an idea of what they're around on cards and have every DPM corresponding voltage to multipliers of 6 <
Key point, if not there will be instability and higher LLC overshoot along with bigger Vdroops from my hypothesis. biggrin.gif and remember, for some reason althouh 1300 doesn't actually get any voltage remotely stable over 1.25... it still tricks the card to think it can or something... and works best for max. But, I've found that, fine-tuned DPM 7 below 12500 corresponding to the perfect clock is best, this way you can easily add voltage through Saphire trix, and it doesnt flactuate nearly as much as something crazy high in DPM7.

Remember DPMs need to be madde to fit ur card, for best results and specially if the Offset Bioses here are from a card that has a completely different DPM use than your own. biggrin.gif
Edited by StenioMoreira - 10/13/16 at 12:31am
post #1296 of 1773
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@subscribers @error311

For some reason when I'm attaching new zips these past few days an error occurs on download, may that be on forum (in this thread or others) or PM there is an error when trying to download plus files members are sending me, so I have added google drive links to the Nitro ROM packs in OP (they are not the updated ROMs linked below).

@veky

Sorry for delay redface.gif .

Here is Sapphire Fury Nitro OC EP ROM Pack (on my GD) smile.gif .

SHA-1 checksum for Zip: 1BC7906B000BB2CFBE300B57E882170935FA6661

Bios version: 015.049.000.016.000000
Compile date: 20/07/16

As per ROMs in OP all is stock other than HBM voltage offset added and TMOD. Offset location AD30 is data value for GPU VDDC offset and AD34 is data value for HBM MVDD offset.

When viewing the stock voltageobjectinfo table in these updated Fury Nitro OC ROMs was surprised to see the stock GPU voltage offset is now 06h = 37.5mV, compared with the older Nitro ROMs which had 03h = 18.75mV, quite an increase redface.gif .
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Hi gupsterg. I tried your BIOS, and my pc booted up fine, and there was no noticable artifacts. I've tried some other with the TMOD added (Ne01's) but those had a lot of artifatcts when scrolling and displaying other animations in Windows.

But when i started to test out the bios in games (Rocket League, DOOM) my gfx driver kept crashing. Why is that? Is my card not able to run properly with those voltage values? I noticed the the memory voltage was 1.275 instead of 1.30, could it be my memory is not stable enough to run at those voltages?

Sorry for the noobish questions, I'm new to all of this (my first AMD card aswell)
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Try installing your drivers your drivers and use DDU after then reinstall the drivers. I might solve your problem. Setting sometimes get stuck.
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Yes some cards will not like 1.275V on HBM when games are loaded, even when HBM is at stock clock. In the section you gained the ROM in OP, is some info on how to modify HBM voltage within those ROMs, if you are stuck please state which ROM your using and I will tell you the offset location for the data value for HBM voltage offset smile.gif .
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@edwinnroth

Yes some cards will not like 1.275V on HBM when games are loaded, even when HBM is at stock clock. In the section you gained the ROM in OP, is some info on how to modify HBM voltage within those ROMs, if you are stuck please state which ROM your using and I will tell you the offset location for the data value for HBM voltage offset smile.gif .

Alright, thanks for the quick reply.
So I'm trying to figure out the stuff you have edited in the bios. I think(?) the DPM's are 'states' for the graphic card, specifying the voltage and mhz for that DPM. Am i right about this?

My current bios is actually not my stock one. I found it in here some time ago. I used GPU-z to create a backup of my high tdp bios, only to find out GPU-z doesn't save the Fury bios properly.
So I went in here and found a stock bios uploaded for both positions. furybios.zip 212k .zip file

I've uploaded them both. I noticed some people talking about stock being optimized for your card. Is this true? I still have my stock bios for the 260w bios. So if you want I guess i can upload that too?
Also what does the TMOD exactly do? Is it optimized / overclocked HBM timings?
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