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Fury X is almost as fast as 980ti in DX11. I just wonder in which way is Nvidia much faster than AMD?????

As I have mentioned before, pple who do not own and use AMD GPU keep talking about how bad AMD drivers are.

NVIDIA can overclock wink.gif
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Yes but you are not buying a GPU so it can be useful in 2 years. You are buying a GPU to be useful now. In 2 years, you will have better (or worse) options which will fit the bill.

When I buy a GPU I think long term. In this case 5-6 years.
We are PC Gamers, we should be capable of thinking long term for both gaming and the industry as well as our fellows that can not upgrade every year or two or three.
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5-6 years long term ? It's time to buy a console dude ! tongue.gif
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5-6 years long term ? It's time to buy a console dude ! tongue.gif

That is heresy mate! tongue.gif
Consoles cost a lot more. Especially in the long run. Besides, they do not have my mods, nor do they have my old games (very limited backwards compatibility) nor can they do real work or even emulate older consoles well (or they can but again, in a very limited manner).

Power and performance has always been icing on top of the PC Gaming cake. There is a huge amount more to it.
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Just because of historical parallels...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38053246&postcount=804

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2549/7

Seems that this isn't the first time NVIDIA have *exaggerated* their support for a new APIs features.

For those waiting on full Async compute + graphics support, I believe the term is "When Hell freezes over" is when you will get it.

Oh and..
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NVIDIA insists that if it reveals it's true feature set, AMD will buy off a bunch of developers with its vast hoards of cash to enable support for DX10.1 code NVIDIA can't run. Oh wait, I'm sorry, NVIDIA is worth twice as much as AMD who is billions in debt and struggling to keep up with its competitors on the CPU and GPU side. So we ask: who do you think is more likely to start buying off developers to the detriment of the industry?

NVIDIA GameWorks comes to mind...

And then this:
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One of the other interesting tidbits about the PC port of AC is that it's one of the first titles to launch with support for DirectX 10.1... sort of. Version 1.0 does indeed support DirectX 10.1 features, but Ubisoft decided to remove this functionality in the 1.02 patch. Whether it will make a return in the future is unclear, but signs point to "no". Given that we're late to the game in terms of reviewing AC, we are going to spend a decent chunk of this review looking at the technology side of the equation and what it means to gamers.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2536/6
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So why did Ubisoft remove DirectX 10.1 support? The official statement reads as follows: "The performance gains seen by players who are currently playing AC with a DX10.1 graphics card are in large part due to the fact that our implementation removes a render pass during post-effect which is costly." An additional render pass is certainly a costly function; what the above statement doesn't clearly state is that DirectX 10.1 allows one fewer rendering pass when running anti-aliasing, and this is a good thing. We contacted AMD/ATI, NVIDIA, and Ubisoft to see if we could get some more clarification on what's going on. Not surprisingly, ATI was the only company willing to talk with us, and even they wouldn't come right out and say exactly what occurred.

Reading between the lines, it seems clear that NVIDIA and Ubisoft reached some sort of agreement where DirectX 10.1 support was pulled with the patch. ATI obviously can't come out and rip on Ubisoft for this decision, because they need to maintain their business relationship. We on the other hand have no such qualms. Money might not have changed hands directly, but as part of NVIDIA's "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" program, it's a safe bet that NVIDIA wasn't happy about seeing DirectX 10.1 support in the game -- particularly when that support caused ATI's hardware to significantly outperform NVIDIA's hardware in certain situations.

Last October at NVIDIA's Editors Day, we had the "opportunity" to hear from several gaming industry professionals about how unimportant DirectX 10.1 was, and how most companies weren't even considering supporting it. Amazingly, even Microsoft was willing to go on stage and state that DirectX 10.1 was only a minor update and not something to worry about. NVIDIA clearly has reasons for supporting that stance, as their current hardware -- and supposedly even their upcoming hardware -- will continue to support only the DirectX 10.0 feature set.

Who paid off a developer? NVIDIA.

Gee, I wonder why Ark's DX12 patch was delayed... And no, it is not unreasonable to think this way.

Who got all pissy when Oxide refused to pull out Asynchronous Compute? NVIDIA. Kollock did say that he does not bend to either AMD or NVIDIA and he emphasized NVIDIAs bad behavior. Let me guess, NVIDIA tried to come to an agreement with Oxide as well. Kollock will never admit to this but evidently, historical precedent in place, that IS what NVIDIA do.

Why was DX12 pulled from Rise of the Tomb Raider? Gee, I wonder.
Edited by Mahigan - 2/25/16 at 1:14am
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"When Hell freezes over"

Is that Nvidia's code-name for Volta?
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Financially, it's taken too long for GCN to bloom. But right now, it is the better deal. I had a good time with the 780's and I even enjoyed my 970, but the circle is finally closing. Three years ago, I was struggling with 7970CF. When I had had enough with them, I moved to OG GTX Titan. Titan was simply a lot better user experience back then. Looking at it now... rolleyes.gif

GTX 780 was better than 290X for me two years ago. Next time I tried the 290X in the summer of 2014, it was better but still not enough to keep me from going with a 780 Classy a little later. I then went with the 970 which was better than the 780 Classy. And when the whole 3.5GB issue came, I returned the 970 and finally went back to GCN with my current 290 which is looking like a great deal right now. So yeah, me and GCN go way back, it wasn't always rosy, but it got the staying power. I just had my bit of fun with Nvidia in between. Nothing wrong with that, you got to do what feels right to you biggrin.gif
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Just because of historical parallels...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38053246&postcount=804

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2549/7

Seems that this isn't the first time NVIDIA have *exaggerated* their support for a new APIs features.

For those waiting on full Async compute + graphics support, I believe the term is "When Hell freezes over" is when you will get it.

Oh and..
NVIDIA GameWorks comes to mind...

And then this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2536/6
Who paid off a developer? NVIDIA.

Gee, I wonder why Ark's DX12 patch was delayed... And no, it is not unreasonable to think this way.

Who got all pissy when Oxide refused to pull out Asynchronous Compute? NVIDIA. Kollock did say that he does not bend to either AMD or NVIDIA and he emphasized NVIDIAs bad behavior. Let me guess, NVIDIA tried to come to an agreement with Oxide as well. Kollock will never admit to this but evidently, historical precedent in place, that IS what NVIDIA do.

Why was DX12 pulled from Rise of the Tomb Raider? Gee, I wonder.
haha , they don't support dx11.2/dx11.1 on kepler. they also don't support pci-e3 on SB-E processors. nvidia "the way it means to be shady"
Edited by EightDee8D - 2/25/16 at 1:22am
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5-6 years long term ? It's time to buy a console dude ! tongue.gif

Sane people buy a top of the line graphics card and stick with it until it doesn't run well anymore. I had a TNT2 Ultra in my first comp and when it died I got a 9100XT and rode that until my comp bricked (Crapaq, what can you do?) Then I got an Alienware with an X800 Pro and used that until the PSU blew and took everything with it; I had that computer for 8 years. I will never understand why somebody would spend $1k on a Titan, which will run all games nowadays just fine, and then go through two succeeding generations of very expensive cards for minor performance gains.
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Sane people buy a top of the line graphics card and stick with it until it doesn't run well anymore. I had a TNT2 Ultra in my first comp and when it died I got a 9100XT and rode that until my comp bricked (Crapaq, what can you do?) Then I got an Alienware with an X800 Pro and used that until the PSU blew and took everything with it; I had that computer for 8 years. I will never understand why somebody would spend $1k on a Titan, which will run all games nowadays just fine, and then go through two succeeding generations of very expensive cards for minor performance gains.

Neither will I mate. It seems like a waste of money honestly.

Less you get good sales on old hardware, but that is usually not the case (props if you can manage to do it though).

Still even lower end cards do fine smile.gif
Here is my previous PC's card reviewed in new games:
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