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Sane people buy a top of the line graphics card and stick with it until it doesn't run well anymore. I had a TNT2 Ultra in my first comp and when it died I got a 9100XT and rode that until my comp bricked (Crapaq, what can you do?) Then I got an Alienware with an X800 Pro and used that until the PSU blew and took everything with it; I had that computer for 8 years. I will never understand why somebody would spend $1k on a Titan, which will run all games nowadays just fine, and then go through two succeeding generations of very expensive cards for minor performance gains.

Consumerism, it's a mental disorder. I had it BIG time. I had a basement full of PC hardware. When I say full, I mean full. I had to have the latest GPU for bragging rights. My own self esteem was tied to the size of my hardware.

Many folks will deny it, like an alcoholic denies being alcoholic, but they're suffering the same thing.

The reason people get "butthurt" by benchmarks showcasing their hardware in a bad light is because it touches their ego.
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Speaking of long-term, I still use my 1440 x 900 monitor. That, with some 970/390-like (or even better, 980Ti/Fury X) performance, I still think that I can play next year or so AAA games with relative ease biggrin.gif

Plus I don't like anti-aliasing that much, 1X or 2X is fine for me at least biggrin.gif
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Hmm might buy a polaris instead of pascal. My 980ti is looking horrible and am on 1440p.

Just imagine how I'm feeling at 4K then! redface.gif
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Karma, is happening. Pivotal point in this industry. Fascinating to see how it will pan out.



My 500$ investment (2 x 290x) from mid 2015 is looking to last me 2 more years @ 1440p and perhaps even more @1080p
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And AMD are competitive, with their cards beating, all of their intended NVIDIA price competitors under DX11 save for the Fury-X vs GTX 980 Ti.
https://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/23.html

In recent DX11 titles, AMD graphics cards have been quite surprising.

What DX12 does is allow for:

390 > GTX 970 by a long shot instead of a little
390X > GTX 980
Fury uncontested
Fury-X = GTX 980 Ti
TitanX uncontested

What Async compute allows for is:

390 > GTX 980
390x = GTX 980 Ti
TitanX
Fury uncontested
Fury-X uncontested.

So really, DX11 or DX12 w/wo Async doesn't change AMDs price competition figures for the worse. It only makes AMD GCN that much better.

Yet nvidia had a record selling year, again, and AMD have been losing ground, again.
So if your claim was always right, why aren't we all having AMD cards, and why nvidia didn't suddenly disappear for having higher priced cards?

Price, is not everything. The fact that nvidia for a bit more money, sells their better GPUs, is the bottom line. No beta or alpha results are going to matter unless once the game is out, AMD will show performance gains and better results once nvidia driver team do their job.

To remind you, that ashes is a game fully optimised and developed with AMD, but not with nvidia. Meaning that of course we will get optimised drivers to AMD, and alpha and beta results will always favour AMD.
This is also a bit hypocritical from AMD, as games developed but nvidia, aren't being constantly advertised at "look at those beta performance results! aren't they better than AMD?".
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NVIDIA sent a note over this afternoon letting us know that asynchornous shading is not enabled in their current drivers, hence the performance we are seeing here. Unfortunately they are not providing an ETA for when this feature will be enabled.

They'll enable it when Pascal launches, lol.
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Yet nvidia had a record selling year, again, and AMD have been losing ground, again.
So if your claim was always right, why aren't we all having AMD cards, and why nvidia didn't suddenly disappear for having higher priced cards?

Price, is not everything. The fact that nvidia for a bit more money, sells their better GPUs, is the bottom line. No beta or alpha results are going to matter unless once the game is out, AMD will show performance gains and better results once nvidia driver team do their job.

To remind you, that ashes is a game fully optimised and developed with AMD, but not with nvidia. Meaning that of course we will get optimised drivers to AMD, and alpha and beta results will always favour AMD.
This is also a bit hypocritical from AMD, as games developed but nvidia, aren't being constantly advertised at "look at those beta performance results! aren't they better than AMD?".
amd is allowing developers to do whatever they want with nvidia, there's no blocked code or anything. on the other hand nvidia doesn't provide source code to amd nor the devs are allowed to share anything with amd if title is gameworks sponsored . how is that being hypocritical ? heck they even made gpu open so even nvidia can optimize the code for their arch.

nvidia gives you more inefficient visual effects which slows down the fps.
Amd gives you performance boost which can be used for/with more visual effects.

where is hypocrisy ?
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Yet nvidia had a record selling year, again, and AMD have been losing ground, again.
So if your claim was always right, why aren't we all having AMD cards, and why nvidia didn't suddenly disappear for having higher priced cards?

Price, is not everything. The fact that nvidia for a bit more money, sells their better GPUs, is the bottom line. No beta or alpha results are going to matter unless once the game is out, AMD will show performance gains and better results once nvidia driver team do their job.

To remind you, that ashes is a game fully optimised and developed with AMD, but not with nvidia. Meaning that of course we will get optimised drivers to AMD, and alpha and beta results will always favour AMD.
This is also a bit hypocritical from AMD, as games developed but nvidia, aren't being constantly advertised at "look at those beta performance results! aren't they better than AMD?".
Name any two GW titles the performance of which were better than this beta...
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CPU limitation.
nVidia cards can do async on the compute queue. They can't do async on compute AND graphics at the same time. We call that concurrent async. All GCN cards can do concurrent async. None of nVidia's cards can, and probably neither will Pascal.

I'm thinking this, from what I understood Pascal will be the complete version of Maxwell 2. The current Maxwell 2 is stripped down because of the 28nm limitation.

At least this is what I read, don't quote me on this. tongue.gif


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Yet nvidia had a record selling year, again, and AMD have been losing ground, again.
So if your claim was always right, why aren't we all having AMD cards, and why nvidia didn't suddenly disappear for having higher priced cards?

Price, is not everything. The fact that nvidia for a bit more money, sells their better GPUs, is the bottom line. No beta or alpha results are going to matter unless once the game is out, AMD will show performance gains and better results once nvidia driver team do their job.

To remind you, that ashes is a game fully optimised and developed with AMD, but not with nvidia. Meaning that of course we will get optimised drivers to AMD, and alpha and beta results will always favour AMD.
This is also a bit hypocritical from AMD, as games developed but nvidia, aren't being constantly advertised at "look at those beta performance results! aren't they better than AMD?".


Well 1 thing comes to mind is the constant AMD hate, when a consumer who doesn't know a lot about gpus looks up NVidia and AMD gpus to see which one he should buy, he'll jump to NVidia 80% of the time because a lot of posts bash AMD for having worse performance (even if it's just 5 - 10 frames).
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It looks like doing Async compute on the driver isn't working out very well. Nvidia has been very good with their drivers, but it seems even they can't overcome the hardware advantage AMD has right now.

They did cut an awful lot of corners with this generation although people will be tremendous naysayers to this statement. Seriously 980 is an older architecture than the 970, 970 has only 3.5GB of effective memory. (Performance loss or not) They threw out a GT 930 which wasn't even better than iGPUs, hasn't been released in US markets yet. The only crème de la crème of this generation worth owning in my book is the 980 ti and the 960.

You can buy a R9 390 w/ 8gb of VRAM for the same price as a 970. Yeah it consumes more but recently has been scoring a good 20-25% more than the 970. Some DX12 based benchmarks, even Vulkan has it above the 980.
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