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HardOCP's power consumption numbers have always been whack and a fair bit deviated from all the other major sites, so I completely disregard their efficiency tests.
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It's all pretty irrelevant anyway, since straight performance per watt is so skewed towards the low-end. The 750Ti crushes everything, but that hardly matters.

Total power is somewhat more important (in a given performance category) since that's what you have to dissipate, but ultimately there isn't really much difference in a given tier.

Edit: where do you see TPU using Furmark for perf/watt? They use Metro for that, Furmark is just for the maximum power consumption chart.
ohhh forget that 750Ti......they are going to only take 980Ti vs fury X for comparison and ignore everything below. rolleyes.gif
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ohhh forget that 750Ti......they are going to only take 980Ti vs fury X for comparison and ignore everything below. rolleyes.gif

No, not at all, I'm talking about Fury vs. GTX 980 not FuryX vs. GTX 980 Ti.

When it comes to the R9 390/x, both have a lower performance per watt figure than the GTX 970.

Something tells me that when Polaris releases, and if its performance per watt is better than Pascal, many folks will stop caring about performance/watt just as they didn't care when Fermi was around. It's a game as old as 3Dfx, ATi and nVidia. It also resembles politics where Democrats will be all anti-war when Republicans are in power and then when they're in power and bombing some country they'll talk about respecting the Commander and Chief, disagreeing is treason, praise the National Security State. It's a complete reversal when Republicans are out of power. They yell "Benghazi", the "Economy" etc.

Partisanship likes to masquerade as having higher principles and morals but it never does. Its always about supporting your team no matter what.

We see that behavior across AMD and NVIDIA partisans.
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Well that's not what they said and you quoted it to me..
So they took the relative performance scores, which means averaging out all the games avg FPS for both cards, and compared that to a single result (their typical gaming power consumption result). This single result is based on a single game.

So they didn't do like I did. I calculated the avg FPS per watt (as well as avg watts per frame). They calculated the FPS per Metro Last Light Wattage. Or Metro Last Light Wattage per frame.

It's not the same thing at all.

None of this surprises me at all, not at all. And I can understand why many folks at AMD were frustrated and refused a Nano to Kyle. The guy is, well, not honest. After what he did, does it make sense to send him a more power efficient card if he's not going to be honest about it as well?

After I pointed it out to him, he proceeded to mock me and to change my forum "title" (name under your username) to a bunch of insults and award me a bunch of insult awards. He's not well in the head.

He also claimed that I should understand that HardOCP is about "The Gaming Experience", which is subjective and not an objective metric. So I hit back that he should therefore not call it performance per watt but instead Gaming Experience per watt. He didn't like that very much either (another round of insulting titles).


I've read his thread about AMD 16.2 driver. That was hilarious read indeed
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I tore this myth apart over at HardOCP.

Take this review of the Fury against a GTX 980:
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2015/07/10/asus_strix_r9_fury_dc3_video_card_review/1

And I ran the numbers...
Of course if you run furmark or just load up the Fury, it will end up consuming more power but for gaming? Nope.

That is not really correct.

If you look at apples to apples, with gameworks enabled for example, the 980 gives for example almost the same amount of average FPS.
So those mathematical numbers end up in favor to nvidia.
Also in some games even with gameworks off, the 980 gives similar average fps as the fury. Sometimes even better FPS, sometimes much worse.

So depends on the game you are playing, the 980 can be much better watt/performance than the fury, sometimes it is the opposite, depends on who the developer has been making the game with.

Since hardocp reviews have been a bit... shady... in the past, I don't really take their word regarding performance, but even if you want to look at their numbers, your conclusion isn't really correct.
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No, not at all, I'm talking about Fury vs. GTX 980 not FuryX vs. GTX 980 Ti.

When it comes to the R9 390/x, both have a lower performance per watt figure than the GTX 970.

Something tells me that when Polaris releases, and if its performance per watt is better than Pascal, many folks will stop caring about performance/watt just as they didn't care when Fermi was around. It's a game as old as 3Dfx, ATi and nVidia. It also resembles politics where Democrats will be all anti-war when Republicans are in power and then when they're in power and bombing some country they'll talk about respecting the Commander and Chief, disagreeing is treason, praise the National Security State. It's a complete reversal when Republicans are out of power. They yell "Benghazi", the "Economy" etc.

Partisanship likes to masquerade as having higher principles and morals but it never does. Its always about supporting your team no matter what.

We see that behavior across AMD and NVIDIA partisans.
yeap first it was the noise
then it was the fps
then it was even the biggest card
after than was the heat
and now its the perf/watt
i guess the next one will be the name
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No, not at all, I'm talking about Fury vs. GTX 980 not FuryX vs. GTX 980 Ti.

When it comes to the R9 390/x, both have a lower performance per watt figure than the GTX 970.

Something tells me that when Polaris releases, and if its performance per watt is better than Pascal, many folks will stop caring about performance/watt just as they didn't care when Fermi was around. It's a game as old as 3Dfx, ATi and nVidia. It also resembles politics where Democrats will be all anti-war when Republicans are in power and then when they're in power and bombing some country they'll talk about respecting the Commander and Chief, disagreeing is treason, praise the National Security State. It's a complete reversal when Republicans are out of power. They yell "Benghazi", the "Economy" etc.

Partisanship likes to masquerade as having higher principles and morals but it never does. Its always about supporting your team no matter what.

We see that behavior across AMD and NVIDIA partisans.

Look, now, I think you've posted a lot of interesting stuff on the forums and indeed many of the things you've pointed out are beginning to make sense. But lately you've started to go off the deep end with statements such as the bolded part above. You remind me of raghu78 who is able to give very good advice based on factual information, but who also has a tendency to extrapolate based on biased and/or incomplete data. There is simply no way you could know how Polaris vs Pascal will end up going. When you make such wildly speculative statements with such arrogant self-confidence, and in the same post preach about partisanship... rolleyes.gif
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Not for nothing but he did say 'if'.

     
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Look, now, I think you've posted a lot of interesting stuff on the forums and indeed many of the things you've pointed out are beginning to make sense. But lately you've started to go off the deep end with statements such as the bolded part above. You remind me of raghu78 who is able to give very good advice based on factual information, but who also has a tendency to extrapolate based on biased and/or incomplete data. There is simply no way you could know how Polaris vs Pascal will end up going. When you make such wildly speculative statements with such arrogant self-confidence, and in the same post preach about partisanship... rolleyes.gif

Well to be fair if Polaris did indeed end up having better perf/watt than Pascal, I'm sure that metric will lose a significant amount of importance. wink.gif
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But that is just it. Partisanship is the attitude that makes people to do speculative future predictions and use them as arguments. To use those kind of arguments against partisanship as a phenomenon is just hypocrisy at its purest.
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