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Sure.
It depends on the game.
Far Cry primal
Lets say that GTX 960 vs R9 270X or R7 370 vs GTX 960/50.
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/far-cry-primal-benchmarks/2/#diagramm-far-cry-primal-1920-1080

Well we should wait for Hitman DX12 benchmark.

That's the trend. Because architecturally, GCN is more powerful than Maxwell. Newer DX11 games are even showing that smile.gif

Why? Coded for consoles. So developers have been using compute resources in new ways to get playable framerates from the consoles. This code is making its way into PC games.
Edited by Mahigan - 2/29/16 at 12:39pm
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That's the trend. Because architecturally, GCN is more powerful than Maxwell. Newer DX11 games are even showing that smile.gif

What was funny about this post was what he was replying to. I was being sarcastic, which is pretty easy to see by the way I said it and of course looking at the AMD Trifire in my sig . wheee.gif
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That's the trend. Because architecturally, GCN is more powerful than Maxwell. Newer DX11 games are even showing that smile.gif

But will be next GCN as powerfull as this one, if we would compare it on same node (TFLOPS per die size, performance per die size)? Or will it go for P/W.

GCN is not aging, it is getting younger every day.
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Just like the other cards there. What's the problem?
The 960 gaming G1 there isn't an efficient 960 and those 980s and 980Tis aren't the most efficient ones, either.



You're right it does cast doubt on the validity of all the P/W results and it leaves me with two points

1.) That each AIB partner has enough control over the components and rom design of the final shipping gpu that using any particular companies model is an innacurate way to gauge the power usage of a particular uArch. It IS an accurate way to gauge how well a particular card manufacturer has optimized the power usage of their cards to match the clocks of the reference design.

2.) #1 is no secret to these companies or the people that review their products. It's likely that most of the time the differences in power draw from reference designs and the designs of AIB partners designs are not so pronounced, which would explain why Toms Hardware felt it prudent to mention that that particular card used 53w more than the reference design AT THE SAME CLOCKS saying that this was beyond reasonable expectations Implying that a non reference model using that much power at the same clocks was not only abnormal but unreasonable.


"MSI R9 390X Gaming 8G

Registering 368W, we left the reasonable range far behind. A whopping 53W more than our comparable reference graphics card with a hybrid cooler running at the same clock rate is just too much. It’s surprising that MSI’s cooler is still effective, even though it does get pretty loud in this scenario. The trend we saw for a gaming load continues here."
Edited by BlitzWulf - 2/29/16 at 1:02pm
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So you are saying me that GTX 960 is as fast as GTX 980TI and faster than GTX 970?
Expect lower performance in a mirrored system match up with the gpu as the only variable.
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But will be next GCN as powerfull as this one, if we would compare it on same node (TFLOPS per die size, performance per die size)? Or will it go for P/W.

GCN is not aging, it is getting younger every day.
Like the Mickey Mouse.biggrin.gif
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No he is telling you that all nvidia gpus are poorly designed for DX12. They are giving too much work to the CPU which is slowing them down, from what I am seeing. Now his statement of "We Need Faster CPUs". Is comical, it isn't going to happen, what we need is Nv to get there cards fixed (in pascal).

They're not poorly coded, they're poorly suited (architecturally). That static scheduling is hammering the CPU in more ways than one. Of course you spend more time in the CPU because of the scheduling.
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They're not poorly coded, they're poorly suited (architecturally). That static scheduling is hammering the CPU in more ways than one. Of course you spend more time in the CPU because of the scheduling.

That is why I edited my post to designed smile.gif, you must not have seen that thumb.gif

However like the other guys said, thats not NVs fault. Its intels we need faster CPUs, HAHAHA.
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While I understand your concerns,
I used the term "if". If is not a statement of fact.

You said "if" once and then build a whole scenario on it. You described it as a fact just waiting to happen, and it is a perfect example of the kind of argumentation that is typical to people who have a side in the argument. I'm tired of the line of thinking, where someone says things like "just wait till the shoe is on the other food, you'll be saying the exact opposite". That is taking a personal stance, and what's more, it's usually not what happens. It's actually not that those same guys are moving goal posts, it's that the product will actually have different strengths and weaknesses than its predecessor. It means that the new product will rightfully be criticized on those metrics where it falls short of the new competition. That is just how things go, and being annoyed by it especially in advance means that you have picked your team.

Caring about what people think of a product such as GPU's is taking a side. If one's interests are purely technical, one should concentrate on the technical aspects. You are exceptionally good in bringing light in those aspects, so please don't take this as a personal attack. I just don't like the way you are increasingly criticizing the partisanship aspects when you yourself are subject to the very thing you criticize.
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That is why I edited my post to designed smile.gif, you must not have seen that thumb.gif

However like the other guys said, thats not NVs fault. Its intels we need faster CPUs, HAHAHA.

It's a role reversal from DX11 where AMD suffered the higher API overhead. Of course moving tasks to compute reduces the amount of rendering calls (draw calls). And we've seen that in the Doom Alpha, Far Cry Primal, Hitman, Battlefront etc recently.
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You said "if" once and then build a whole scenario on it. You described it as a fact just waiting to happen, and it is a perfect example of the kind of argumentation that is typical to people who have a side in the argument. I'm tired of the line of thinking, where someone says things like "just wait till the shoe is on the other food, you'll be saying the exact opposite". That is taking a personal stance, and what's more, it's usually not what happens. It's actually not that those same guys are moving goal posts, it's that the product will actually have different strengths and weaknesses than its predecessor. It means that the new product will rightfully be criticized on those metrics where it falls short of the new competition. That is just how things go, and being annoyed by it especially in advance means that you have picked your team.

Caring about what people think of a product such as GPU's is taking a side. If one's interests are purely technical, one should concentrate on the technical aspects. You are exceptionally good in bringing light in those aspects, so please don't take this as a personal attack. I just don't like the way you are increasingly criticizing the partisanship aspects when you yourself are suspect to the very thing you criticize.

That's called logic...

If blah blah blah
Then blah blah blah
Else Blah Blah Blah

Same language used in programming. The entire scenario painted can be ignored if the primary claim turns out not to be true.

And yes, I am suspect by those who rejected the claims I was making making out of hand. With each passing day, however, I think that the claims I made are being realised. So it wasn't partisanship which drove my claims but rather facts.

Once Hitman, Deus Ex, Fable Legends, BF5 etc release, my statements will likely be perceived in a different light. Rather than seeing me as some AMD fanboi, I think that people will see me as a person who spoke truths when it was unpopular to do so.

I was raised by an activist father so telling the truth, even when it can get you in trouble, is what I was taught.
Edited by Mahigan - 2/29/16 at 1:03pm
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