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Hello again watercoolers!

So I'm still diving into the world of watercooling, slowly but surely. Learning a lot along the way, it's quite fun. I'm trying to watercool my work PC now that my home one is just about finished up.

Anyway, here's the question part:

I realized that an easy way to drain and fill a loop can be invaluable. I thought that I thought this one through well enough, but it seems that I haven't as quite. Currently, my filling setup looks like this:



It's basically a T-block on top of the res, with the angle being the inlet, one side leading to the reservoir, and the other I have an extender on (I'll probably put a fill port in the case if I stick with this). The problem is that it creates some sort of airlock where I can't actually fill it. When running, I guess the pump creates enough suction to pull the water straight through the t-block? I won't come out the top (good I guess), but I can't get it to go in the top either, whether the pump is on or off. I'm not really sure what to do here. Is there a better design I could have? I can post more pictures if needed.

TL;DR: I don't know how to fill my reservoir, I don't understand closed loops as well as I thought, and I can't get the air bubbles out of this system. Halp.
Edited by Saiyamoto - 2/25/16 at 3:12pm
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You're probably trapping air as you fill it and that's why it wont fill. Water will displace the air inside the res if and only if the air has a way to escape.
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Hmm. So how could I build a way for the air to escape? I have the same reservoir in my main system, but it's mounted "upside down" as I guess I would put it, with essentially a "filling" tube connected to one of them and it works great. So would I need to either flip this res or put my inlet on the bottom instead so the top could be a port to bleed the loop? Or is there another solution?

Edit: Found these guys: Bitspower Air Exhaust Fitting
Would that be of any help to me? Is this essentially the a cap that doesn't completely unscrew?
Edited by Saiyamoto - 2/25/16 at 5:13pm
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Hmm. So how could I build a way for the air to escape? I have the same reservoir in my main system, but it's mounted "upside down" as I guess I would put it, with essentially a "filling" tube connected to one of them and it works great. So would I need to either flip this res or put my inlet on the bottom instead so the top could be a port to bleed the loop? Or is there another solution?

Edit: Found these guys: Bitspower Air Exhaust Fitting
Would that be of any help to me? Is this essentially the a cap that doesn't completely unscrew?


That would not help in this case unless you have another port on the top of your res. If so, you can just open that while you fill, allowing the displaced air to escape, or using that fitting, by pressing it down to release the air pressure.

That fitting is a pushbutton seal which allows you to depress it and allow air to escape. Useful if you have your system sealed up and pressure has built up over time. (usually shortly after the initial fill before you've completely removed all of the air bubbles) You could accomplish the same thing by removing a fill port to expose it to air.

You need some secondary path for the air to escape since you are covering the only outlet out of your res (for the air) with the fill port. When I fill my res, I use a smaller diameter barbed fitting and don't seal the fill port entirely during filling, allowing air to escape past it.

This is my fill funnel:




This is the same concept as needing a breather hole in a gas can or how you puncture two holes in a can of liquid in order for it to flow out or be filled - the air has to go somewhere.
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That would not help in this case unless you have another port on the top of your res. If so, you can just open that while you fill, allowing the displaced air to escape, or using that fitting, by pressing it down to release the air pressure.

That fitting is a pushbutton seal which allows you to depress it and allow air to escape. Useful if you have your system sealed up and pressure has built up over time. (usually shortly after the initial fill before you've completely removed all of the air bubbles) You could accomplish the same thing by removing a fill port to expose it to air.

You need some secondary path for the air to escape since you are covering the only outlet out of your res (for the air) with the fill port. When I fill my res, I use a smaller diameter barbed fitting and don't seal the fill port entirely during filling, allowing air to escape past it.

This is my fill funnel:




This is the same concept as needing a breather hole in a gas can or how you puncture two holes in a can of liquid in order for it to flow out or be filled - the air has to go somewhere.

Right. That analogy makes a lot of sense. So if I were to put both the inlet and the outlet on the bottom instead and leave the top open as a fill port I would be good to go then, since I would have my breather hole? I guess I underestimated the air being able to bubble out my fill port that I set up is my problem.
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Yeah, in my latest build I planned for this by getting the Aquacomputer Aqualis ECO res which has 2 ports up top in case I wanted to pipe in a permanent fill port. I also put one of those pressure relief breather fittings on the other port, but I ended up deciding a funnel will work just fine for the few times I'll need to fill the system. If you could set up some kind of divider within your installed fill line, that may work. I'm trying to think of what could be used for such a purpose and then you'd have to fill slowly as to not overwhelm the inlet and pour down both sides of the divider. Alternatively, if your res manufacturer has any optional tops with more than one port, that would be a much better solution.

edit: To answer your question directly, yeah, it COULD work assuming you fill very, VERY slowly to never completely saturate the fill line because once you do, the air is trapped again.(with water) You would need some breather of some sort, even if you inlet/outlet are on the bottom and your fill in on the top.

editedit: You can sometimes fudge it in by filling the fill line and giving the res/system a physical bump, sometime jostling the air past the water, but this isn't really the best plan as you can easily end up spilling or knocking something loose.
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Yeah, I have an Aqualis DDC that's like that. I was going to use it actually until my DDC blew up for the second time lol. I'm using a Jingway pump instead now (the Phobya model). I can't seem to find an extra top - it's just a cheap Alphacool res - so I'll order some fittings and see if I can't get the inlet on the bottom instead. I'll make sure to have an update on how everything goes.
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I only have 1 fill port, and while its not as good as having 2 ports, you can fill just using one... it just takes some patience to ensure you don't trap air.

My loop holds almost a liter of water. I attach a fill tube and funnel to the fill port and pour it like I would pour a beer.

For example, instead of hold my funnel and fill tube perpendicular to the fill port, I offset it 45 degrees pour slowly, just like a beer. This allows the water to travel down one side of the tube while letting the air escape through the other half.

Of course, you have to make sure you don't over saturate the fill tube with too much water during this process.

The fill tube will also help the air escape from the system as air will naturally rise.
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Yeah, I have an Aqualis DDC that's like that. I was going to use it actually until my DDC blew up for the second time lol. I'm using a Jingway pump instead now (the Phobya model). I can't seem to find an extra top - it's just a cheap Alphacool res - so I'll order some fittings and see if I can't get the inlet on the bottom instead. I'll make sure to have an update on how everything goes.

By the bottom, I assume you mean the bottom of the res?

If so, I wouldn't do that. When you fill, you'll be fighting gravity trying to fill it. It will also be difficult to cap the fill port when water naturally wants to flow out of it.

Try to get a breather up top or try a different filling method.
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I was actually meaning to have the inlet and outlet at the bottom, but fill it from the top, with that also being the highest point in the loop. I figure the radiator being a few millimeters is okay due to pressures, capillary action, etc. but I plan to get the top of the res as close as possible, if not higher than the tubes in the rad.Like this (sorry for the poor paint drawing lol):




I think part of my problem right now is that my inlet bends around an goes in that T-fitting sideways, and that tube is the outlet of a radiator, so the inlet and outlet of the radiator are close to the top of the res. The air gets trapped in the tubes up top when the pump isn't running, but if I try to fill it with the pump on, water gets everywhere.
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