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I'm looking at spending a little on upgrading my current main system (see list, below). I'd originally thought changing the CPU was the best step but the more I look around and research parts, the more I'm considering a bigger scale rebuild. Maybe I'm trying to talk myself into spending more which would boil down to spending a bunch for not much return. So, looking for some sensible advice. My budget is pretty free but I don't want to spend for the sake of it. 1-3k is fine IF it's going to produce noticeable returns in the short and mid term.

Alongside the CPU, I was looking at reinstalling my system anyway, so was considering a new boot drive like the Intel SSD 750. Since my current mobo doesn't have a m.2 or u.2 port, I assume this is my fastest option. Lacking the m.2 and u.2 ports led me to look at the option of buying a new Asus Maximus IIX Extreme and accompanying new CPU (i7-6700k) which would mean new RAM also, alongside the then viable M.2 Internal SSD [Samsung 950 PRO -Series 512GB PCIe NVMe] and keep my current older drives as storage/program drives and the current GPUs in SLI for another year or so.

Then, I thought I'd probably benefit from a 6-core CPU setup given my current use case (see below) and liklihood that I won't want to rebuild again for at least a couple of years. I wouldn't consider a 6-core future proofing as I don't think there's any such thing, but I would assume it would give me at least 2-3 yrs with a system I didn't need/want to upgrade.

Use case: Digital production using software like Articulate Storyline, Camtasia, Adobe Presenter, some smaller scale video editing and lots of big multi-tasking, including big databases in SQL and Access. Lots of image editing. Right now I have Outlook, Excel, Dreamweaver, Access and Storyline open with about a dozen browser tabs and multiple office documents, which is a good example of a normal work day. Beyond that, lots of gaming at 1440p including across all three monitors for flight sims and racing sims.

So, to cut a long post short ("too late!"), is now a good time to go 6-core and if so what socket/mobo/cpu combo would be considered optimal right now? I'm prone to higher end Asus boards as I've had good experiences with a few since the mid 2000's. Otherwise, Gigabyte and MSI haven't given me big problems so far.

Or, should I just tweak the current build with a new CPU and the PCIe SSD (with adapter?) and stand pat for a while longer?

Or, should I stand pat complete and assume a clean install on the OCZ Vertex drives I have now and the current CPU are going to serve me as well as anything I'd throw 1-3k at?

Current system:
CPU - Intel Core i7-3820 Sandy Bridge-E 3.6GHz
Motherboard - ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79
Graphics - 2x EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Superclocked w/ACX Cooler 3GB GDDR5 384bit
RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900)
Boot Drive - OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Storage Drive 1 - OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-128G 2.5" MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Storage Drive 2 - Western Digital WD VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 10000 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Storage Drives 3-5 - Western Digital Black 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
CPU Cooling - Noctua NH-D14 SE2011
Monitors - 3x ASUS PB278 27"
Power Supply - SeaSonic X-1250 1250W ATX12V
Case - NZXT Phantom 820 Enthusiast
Audio - ASUS Xonar Essence STX
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Keep in mind PCIe lane availability. So if you wanted to do SLI and have a M.2 Ultra you're better off with a 5820K. The 6700K only has 16 PCIe lanes total. nVidia requires 8x lanes minimum for SLI.

6700K 16 PCIe Lanes total 8x8x SLI with no lanes leftover for anything else.
5820K 28 PCIe Lanes total 16x8x SLI with 4x lanes left over for M.2 Ultra
5930K 40 PCIe Lanes total 16x16x SLI with 8x lanes left for 2x M.2 Ultra 950 Pros.

Unless you get a motherboard with a PLX chip. PLX chips add 16x lanes per chip. Another option is AMD which will run at 4x in crossfire I believe.
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what video editing and photo editing program do you use?
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Keep in mind PCIe lane availability. So if you wanted to do SLI and have a M.2 Ultra you're better off with a 5820K. The 6700K only has 16 PCIe lanes total. nVidia requires 8x lanes minimum for SLI.

6700K 16 PCIe Lanes total 8x8x SLI with no lanes leftover for anything else.
5820K 28 PCIe Lanes total 16x8x SLI with 4x lanes left over for M.2 Ultra
5930K 40 PCIe Lanes total 16x16x SLI with 8x lanes left for 2x M.2 Ultra 950 Pros.

Unless you get a motherboard with a PLX chip. PLX chips add 16x lanes per chip. Another option is AMD which will run at 4x in crossfire I believe.

Beer (slainte!) ... forgive my relative ignorance on the PCIe lanes question ... where does my current i7-3820 on the 2011 socket RIVE motherboard sit in that equation? My possibly flawed understanding here is that the 2011 socket motherboard (e.g. ASUS Rampage V Extreme) with a compatible CPU is going to give the most bandwidth there, with 2 GPUs and the m.2. and/or u.2 idea? That means one of these:

Core i7-5820K (3.3GHz, L3:15M, 6C, HT, 140W, rev.R2)
Core i7-5930K (3.5GHz, L3:15M, 6C, HT, 140W, rev.R2)
Core i7-5960X (3.0G, L3:20M, 8C, HT, 140W, rev.R2)

I think? Is the 2 780 Ti's, an m.2. and u.2 drive and the PCIe Xonar sound card going to fit within the lane availability in such a setting? Am I right in thinking an 1151 socket build is likely to struggle here? Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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what video editing and photo editing program do you use?

Hi Pontiac - thanks for reading/commenting.

I use Photoshop CS6, PSP, Blender, AutoCAD and CADWorx (not much though), 3DSMax but not too intensively. For video, I'm using editors built into the productivity software referenced above alongside Adobe Premier Pro and Corel VideoStudio. I should stress none of the video work is major in scale. It's usually editing of shorter lower res clips used in e-learning software. However, often a large volume of small files at a time. All the same, probably the multi-tasking combined with higher end gaming would be my larger concerns here.
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Ask yourself this very important question before spending any money (unless money is no object). Do you encounter any bottlenecks using today's machine with the current software? You already have sufficient memory to deal with Photoshop. If things are going OK, just smile and save the money until you absolutely need to do a new build. There is no computer law that says you need to do a new build every three years.biggrin.gif
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Hi Pontiac - thanks for reading/commenting.

I use Photoshop CS6, PSP, Blender, AutoCAD and CADWorx (not much though), 3DSMax but not too intensively. For video, I'm using editors built into the productivity software referenced above alongside Adobe Premier Pro and Corel VideoStudio. I should stress none of the video work is major in scale. It's usually editing of shorter lower res clips used in e-learning software. However, often a large volume of small files at a time. All the same, probably the multi-tasking combined with higher end gaming would be my larger concerns here.
for those applications
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918-5.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-5960x-5930k-5820k_7.html#sect0

you could get either a 3960x on ebay or upgrade to a 5820k if your applications cna use AVX2
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Ask yourself this very important question before spending any money (unless money is no object). Do you encounter any bottlenecks using today's machine with the current software? You already have sufficient memory to deal with Photoshop. If things are going OK, just smile and save the money until you absolutely need to do a new build. There is no computer law that says you need to do a new build every three years.biggrin.gif

Hi Alan,

that's a very good question. The basic answer is no, I don't. However, my hard drives are all overstuffed and I feel like it's time to wipe them and reinstall. I like to do this every year or two. If I'm doing it anyway, it seemed a good time to upgrade my boot drive if the PCIe drives are so much faster, rather than doing it all over again in the not so distant future. That seed thought led to rest of this, i.e. if upgrading one piece, maybe it's best to do a bunch now and not 1-3 years from now.

Given your Q and my A, it may be the best path then is to look at a new PCIe HD for the boot drive and leave the rest as-is. Then I just have to figure out if the Intel 750 SSD is compatible with my RIVE motherboard and/or if I need some kind of adapter. That would make things faster, simpler and cheaper. smile.gif
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Bah, quick research seems to suggest the Intel 750 SSD is only viable as a boot drive on Z97 and X99 chipsets, not my RIVE's x79. Back to the procrastinating board.
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Beer (slainte!) ... forgive my relative ignorance on the PCIe lanes question ... where does my current i7-3820 on the 2011 socket RIVE motherboard sit in that equation? My possibly flawed understanding here is that the 2011 socket motherboard (e.g. ASUS Rampage V Extreme) with a compatible CPU is going to give the most bandwidth there, with 2 GPUs and the m.2. and/or u.2 idea? That means one of these:

Core i7-5820K (3.3GHz, L3:15M, 6C, HT, 140W, rev.R2)
Core i7-5930K (3.5GHz, L3:15M, 6C, HT, 140W, rev.R2)
Core i7-5960X (3.0G, L3:20M, 8C, HT, 140W, rev.R2)

I think? Is the 2 780 Ti's, an m.2. and u.2 drive and the PCIe Xonar sound card going to fit within the lane availability in such a setting? Am I right in thinking an 1151 socket build is likely to struggle here? Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Your i7 3820K has 40 PCIe lanes same as the 5930K.

Counting all of your devices:
Xonar Sound Card 1x lane total
Ultra M.2 Takes 4x lanes total
U.2 takes 4x lanes total
780Ti SLI 16x lanes total minimum or 24x lanes maximum

That's a minimum of 25 lanes or a maximum of 33 lanes.

The difference? The minimum runs both GPUs at 8x8x (5820K) Speeds and the max runs them at 16x8x (5930K). (Note: At 16x16x with all of your devices you are using 41 PCIe lanes, aka over budget by 1 lane)

So you can still get the 5820K which is similarly priced to the 6700K and run all your devices.

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There is no computer law that says you need to do a new build every three years.biggrin.gif

Very true but I get Antsy at 3 years. So I just do GPUs. At 5 years is when its like screw it all in! New Build!
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