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I personally see Fiji as trying to get in on HBM v1 before all the HBM v2 cards came out, even with 4gb limit it isn't as limiting as 4GB GDDR. Still I was waiting for Gemini to be released and it never materialised, now I'll be waiting till polaris although it might be a pipedream I keep wondering if Gemini (Furyx2) was held back because -that- would be HBMv2? I mean, AMD did have HBM head-start at the foundries and HBMv2 was made in small quantities ? ... heh I can dream. biggrin.gif

From a personal, moral standpoint though. I'll stick with my HD 5450 1GB and burn my PC when it gives up and goes to the bitcoin mining farm in the sky than go with anything Nvidia brings out. tongue.gif

 

Just anecdotally I've not yet had a VRAM problem at 4k with my Fiji cards. I'm sure a bit of the rationale behind the Fury series was to recoup on R&D costs and to gain experience with HBM integration, but I'm happy with the experiment.

     
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I still think that the speed of HBM has blunted the 4GB limitation somehow (even though I have been told over and over again that 4GB is 4GB is 4GB no matter how fast it is). It just seems to me that anecdotally I keep hearing from Fiji owners who are having no VRAM issues at resolutions that kill 4GB GDDR5 cards. Could just be a myth, but a prevalent one if it is...
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I just want to know how powerful the Zen APU will be with DX12 explicit multiadapter.

That'll be like free money, if it works. That could get me off Intel for the first time since Barton.
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Imagine if AMD had been able to release the Fury X at $499, the 390X at $349 and the 390 at $299 last year? I bet the market share wouldn't be quite as bad as it is today...

exactly, they didn't have to push the price higher than their older siblings, they just had to price-match it, making perf/$ drastically better.
on a side note, if they priced 390X at $349 and the 390 at $299, they would've been the most purchased cards, even to the point of exceeding GTX970's user base.

Fiji-based cards on the other hand... well its a fresh attempt on a new technology, although it is expensive in terms of perf/$, its somewhat justified as a pioneer card, niche as some may call it.
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I still think that the speed of HBM has blunted the 4GB limitation somehow (even though I have been told over and over again that 4GB is 4GB is 4GB no matter how fast it is). It just seems to me that anecdotally I keep hearing from Fiji owners who are having no VRAM issues at resolutions that kill 4GB GDDR5 cards. Could just be a myth, but a prevalent one if it is...
the system ram (your DDR3/DDR4 ram) will tank the spill-over VRAM usage, its similar to how GTX970 VRAM works.
that is to say, the most often used data is stuffed inside the VRAM, while the least used are dumped into system ram, making the bottlenecking less apparent.

if those users who doesn't experience 4GB VRAM bottlenecking are using extremely fast system ram, then its to be expected.

on a side note, this is also the reason why a fast system ram can give you a slight edge in gaming performance.
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Too bad Nvidia can't run DX12 well......No async shader as well.....FAIL
Oh, you think nVidia can't run DX12 well because AMD cards obtain better results in a beta AMD sponsored game ?
When DX12 games will have a concrete importance, we'll be eating 16nm candies.

The same with 4K gaming. Another PR "smoke fog", "Look here, not there".
What about the most common resolution, i.e; 1080p ?



http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/23.html

What we see ? A so called "gimped Kepler" (reference card) between a GTX 970 and a 390X (rebranded Hawaii, pre-overclocked), oh snap !
A reference 980 (ultra conservative clock, 400mm², 256-bit, cheapo to make) between a .... Fury and a Fury-X (600mm² behemot, 4096-bit, watercooled for the Fury-X, high fabrication cost).

Is it normal ? Certainly not ! There's a big problem at AMD.

And when we look at some 4K results :




Who play in this gaming condition ? Me not....
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AMD did play hardball with their pricing for a few months. They refused to budge from $550/$400 on their 290X/290's until they started losing market share.

I can kind of see your point about the reference 290X, especially with its legendarily bad stock blower and what not. But 290 for $400? That was an amazing deal, especially when you take into account it was only about 5-7% slower than a 290X, traded blows with the 780 that only had 3GB vram and was still $500 even after the price cut (the $650 release price was a goddamn joke). Honestly were it not for the terrible stock blower that left very bad first impressions as well as the damned miners, I think the Hawaii cards with 290 in particular should've sold really well given how good the perf/price was.
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I can kind of see your point about the reference 290X, especially with its legendarily bad stock blower and what not. But 290 for $400? That was an amazing deal, especially when you take into account it was only about 5-7% slower than a 290X, traded blows with the 780 that only had 3GB vram and was still $500 even after the price cut (the $650 release price was a goddamn joke). Honestly were it not for the terrible stock blower that left very bad first impressions as well as the damned miners, I think the Hawaii cards with 290 in particular should've sold really well given how good the perf/price was.

I agree, Recent AMD cards have shown impressive longevity and no AMD owner should feel they havent got their moneys worth. Nvidia simply undercut them in pricing with the GTX970 and for whatever reason AMD was slow to respond.
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I agree, Recent AMD cards have shown impressive longevity and no AMD owner should feel they havent got their moneys worth. Nvidia simply undercut them in pricing with the GTX970 and for whatever reason AMD was slow to respond.

This is about AMD sadly. Most 290X/290 owners got the cards for free with some mining. My 290X and HD 7970 made med $1000 in 1-2 months of mining.
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I agree, Recent AMD cards have shown impressive longevity and no AMD owner should feel they havent got their moneys worth. Nvidia simply undercut them in pricing with the GTX970 and for whatever reason AMD was slow to respond.

And they will keep showing that even when 970 is already out of breath.
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This is about AMD sadly. Most 290X/290 owners got the cards for free with some mining. My 290X and HD 7970 made med $1000 in 1-2 months of mining.
What? Do you mean ROI or did you actually get it for free?
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