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"If"s just don't interest me. The last great product AMD delivered at the high end was the 7970, and I bought three of those. If they are able to release a great product again when I'm looking to buy, I'll buy. But I'm tired of seeing their fans (not necessarily you) argue that AMD is actually doing OK and will be better because if this and what if that and maybe this and well in this niche scenario it might be the best etc etc etc

People do not care about expensive GPUs. They are there to build a performance wall nad later be knocked down. For example GTX780 Ti was a very expensive GPU. 1 year later Nvidia releases GTX970 for less than half the price and people are amazed at this getting GTX780 Ti performance for so cheap. Cards like GTX780 Ti/ 980 Ti and even 980 are there for brand porpuses. Most people will base their GTX950/960 choice based on the higher end offerings.
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

People do not care about expensive GPUs. They are there to build a performance wall nad later be knocked down. For example GTX780 Ti was a very expensive GPU. 1 year later Nvidia releases GTX970 for less than half the price and people are amazed at this getting GTX780 Ti performance for so cheap. Cards like GTX780 Ti/ 980 Ti and even 980 are there for brand porpuses. Most people will base their GTX950/960 choice based on the higher end offerings.

I disagree... reputation is typically determined by what happens at the high end (as you've said - the value of popular cards is typically determined by their relative performance to the big dogs), and reputation is AMD's biggest problem at the moment, in my opinion.

If AMD gets stomped at the high end again, the midrange and entry level markets aren't going to do anything to save them.
Edited by BigMack70 - 2/27/16 at 11:02am
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People do not care about expensive GPUs.

What?

Top performance means more exposure. Most people may not purchase the expensive GPUs but for the majority of the masses it is the highest performing GPU brand that gets their business.
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Two companies that got sued for industrial sabotage? Great example smile.gif Google nvidia's super tessellated invisible objects in Crysis 2, and Intel's compiler optimizations for more info.

The only case nvidia got convicted of something of this nature, amd was charged at the same time. Aka videocard price fixing case.
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I disagree... reputation is typically determined by what happens at the high end (as you've said - the value of popular cards is typically determined by their relative performance to the big dogs), and reputation is AMD's biggest problem at the moment, in my opinion.

If AMD gets stomped at the high end again, the midrange and entry level markets aren't going to do anything to save them.

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What?

Top performance means more exposure. Most people may not purchase the expensive GPUs but for the majority of the masses it is the highest performing GPU brand that gets their business.

Yeah what is what I am trying to say. Sales do not come from High End but High End build up the brand. Should not be the case though. Remeber GTX680 sold more the HD 7970 all due to the brand. There was not a single advantage GTX680 had other then the new Boost feature which allowed Nvidia to officially OC the cards.
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CPU market is what's bringing it down. GPU shares should be up. Everyone I know is buying AMD because of issues they've had with NVidia cards the past several months.
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Yeah what is what I am trying to say. Sales do not come from High End but High End build up the brand. Should not be the case though. Remeber GTX680 sold more the HD 7970 all due to the brand. There was not a single advantage GTX680 had other then the new Boost feature which allowed Nvidia to officially OC the cards.

Just like 970 is inferior to R9 390 in every way but people think cause it says "Nvidia" on it then it has to be good, right right?
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Just like 970 is inferior to R9 390 in every way but people think cause it says "Nvidia" on it then it has to be good, right right?

970 was good at launch, and AMD has progressively gotten better. 970 hasn't improved since launch. So that says to me AMD at least can improve and optimize their products on a monthly basis better than NVidia can.
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I don't know what you are talking. All I know is that AMD HAMMERS nvidia in DX12.

You can't look at the first three benchmark fillrates because they're not hardly used anymore. The last two show what all games for the last two years and what's to come are using for floating point. You look at those and suddenly you know why AMD is hammering them.
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"If"s just don't interest me. The last great product AMD delivered at the high end was the 7970, and I bought three of those. If they are able to release a great product again when I'm looking to buy, I'll buy. But I'm tired of seeing their fans (not necessarily you) argue that AMD is actually doing OK and will be better because if this and what if that and maybe this and well in this niche scenario it might be the best etc etc etc

 

I think you have a good perspective on the subject. What grates is some people (not you now, just speaking generally) who claim to be so very objective because they'll definitely consider AMD if only they release something with 300x the power of Quad SLI Titan X for £40. It's on consumers to recognise whether their biases are based on objective analysis of the market and product or influenced by company attempts to increase mindshare.

     
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Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
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LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
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Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
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JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
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Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
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Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
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Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
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Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
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AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
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