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And again you just dismissed everything I said that didn't fit for you
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Had nothing to do with what you said...it seems to me it had everything to do what you said.

"Cornerstone of a free nation" - Oh god. wth.gif
Yes, the link ("When It Comes To Windows 10 Privacy Don't Trust Amateur Analysts") you provided to dismiss what I was saying actually has absolutely nothing to do what I was saying. What I was saying was clearly in disagreement with your labeling these people "Windows 10 bashers" for discussing the predatory tactics that Microsoft is using to push Windows 7 updates that contain 10-style spyware. How you're not seeing that, is beyond me.

And yes, privacy is one of the cornerstones of freedom. Mock that if you like, I don't think many people will be rushing to your defense. If anything, your belligerence will only serve to alarm people about how big this problem really is. The idea that someone would actually argue from the position of privacy being unimportant.. that's unbelievable to me. I can only refer you to the lessons of history.

Actually, I'll refer you to this article from a law school professor, I found with a quick Google search. Maybe you'll listen to something that sounds mainstream: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140113044954-2259773-10-reasons-why-privacy-matters

1. Limit on Power

Privacy is a limit on government power, as well as the power of private sector companies. The more someone knows about us, the more power they can have over us. Personal data is used to make very important decisions in our lives. Personal data can be used to affect our reputations; and it can be used to influence our decisions and shape our behavior. It can be used as a tool to exercise control over us. And in the wrong hands, personal data can be used to cause us great harm.


2. Respect for Individuals

Privacy is about respecting individuals. If a person has a reasonable desire to keep something private, it is disrespectful to ignore that person’s wishes without a compelling reason to do so. Of course, the desire for privacy can conflict with important values, so privacy may not always win out in the balance. Sometimes people’s desires for privacy are just brushed aside because of a view that the harm in doing so is trivial. Even if this doesn’t cause major injury, it demonstrates a lack of respect for that person. In a sense it is saying: “I care about my interests, but I don’t care about yours.”

3. Reputation Management

Privacy enables people to manage their reputations. How we are judged by others affects our opportunities, friendships, and overall well-being. Although we can’t have complete control over our reputations, we must have some ability to protect our reputations from being unfairly harmed. Protecting reputation depends on protecting against not only falsehoods but also certain truths. Knowing private details about people’s lives doesn’t necessarily lead to more accurate judgment about people. People judge badly, they judge in haste, they judge out of context, they judge without hearing the whole story, and they judge with hypocrisy. Privacy helps people protect themselves from these troublesome judgments.

4. Maintaining Appropriate Social Boundaries

People establish boundaries from others in society. These boundaries are both physical and informational. We need places of solitude to retreat to, places where we are free of the gaze of others in order to relax and feel at ease. We also establish informational boundaries, and we have an elaborate set of these boundaries for the many different relationships we have. Privacy helps people manage these boundaries. Breaches of these boundaries can create awkward social situations and damage our relationships. Privacy is also helpful to reduce the social friction we encounter in life. Most people don’t want everybody to know everything about them – hence the phrase “none of your business.” And sometimes we don’t want to know everything about other people -- hence the phrase “too much information.”

5. Trust

In relationships, whether personal, professional, governmental, or commercial, we depend upon trusting the other party. Breaches of confidentiality are breaches of that trust. In professional relationships such as our relationships with doctors and lawyers, this trust is key to maintaining candor in the relationship. Likewise, we trust other people we interact with as well as the companies we do business with. When trust is breached in one relationship, that could make us more reluctant to trust in other relationships.

6. Control Over One’s Life

Personal data is essential to so many decisions made about us, from whether we get a loan, a license or a job to our personal and professional reputations. Personal data is used to determine whether we are investigated by the government, or searched at the airport, or denied the ability to fly. Indeed, personal data affects nearly everything, including what messages and content we see on the Internet. Without having knowledge of what data is being used, how it is being used, the ability to correct and amend it, we are virtually helpless in today’s world. Moreover, we are helpless without the ability to have a say in how our data is used or the ability to object and have legitimate grievances be heard when data uses can harm us. One of the hallmarks of freedom is having autonomy and control over our lives, and we can’t have that if so many important decisions about us are being made in secret without our awareness or participation.


7. Freedom of Thought and Speech

Privacy is key to freedom of thought. A watchful eye over everything we read or watch can chill us from exploring ideas outside the mainstream. Privacy is also key to protecting speaking unpopular messages. And privacy doesn’t just protect fringe activities. We may want to criticize people we know to others yet not share that criticism with the world. A person might want to explore ideas that their family or friends or colleagues dislike.

8. Freedom of Social and Political Activities

Privacy helps protect our ability to associate with other people and engage in political activity. A key component of freedom of political association is the ability to do so with privacy if one chooses. We protect privacy at the ballot because of the concern that failing to do so would chill people’s voting their true conscience. Privacy of the associations and activities that lead up to going to the voting booth matters as well, because this is how we form and discuss our political beliefs. The watchful eye can disrupt and unduly influence these activities.


9. Ability to Change and Have Second Chances

Many people are not static; they change and grow throughout their lives. There is a great value in the ability to have a second chance, to be able to move beyond a mistake, to be able to reinvent oneself. Privacy nurtures this ability. It allows people to grow and mature without being shackled with all the foolish things they might have done in the past. Certainly, not all misdeeds should be shielded, but some should be, because we want to encourage and facilitate growth and improvement.

10. Not Having to Explain or Justify Oneself

An important reason why privacy matters is not having to explain or justify oneself. We may do a lot of things which, if judged from afar by others lacking complete knowledge or understanding, may seem odd or embarrassing or worse. It can be a heavy burden if we constantly have to wonder how everything we do will be perceived by others and have to be at the ready to explain.
After reading this, you might want to go ahead and take a look at historical examples of how nations devoid of privacy inevitably crumble over time. By how, I mean the tactics involved. Take that new perspective and apply it to the nerf, rainbow world you currently live in. Privacy is not a privilege, it's a responsibility and a necessity.
Edited by Mookster - 2/26/16 at 11:26pm
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I like the description of the patch in Windows Update. Looks just like a typical bug fix.
    
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So in all honesty, reading trough the link you posted, do you think that MS somehow has control over your life just because they might/do collect information about your usage habits? I can't imagine one thing MS controls in my life.

Secondly, the predatory tactics that you said are mostly explained in the same link. So because of that, yes, I do find it had to do with your original statement. Like I already mentioned, I wasn't directing "basher" at you but most of the bandwagoners who just run with what ever reason someone else posts without reading a bit more into it.

I do not deny that they do collect some data but so far neither you or me have no clue what kind of.
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So in all honesty, reading trough the link you posted, do you think that MS somehow has control over your life just because they might/do collect information about your usage habits? I can't imagine one thing MS controls in my life.

Secondly, the predatory tactics that you said are mostly explained in the same link. So because of that, yes, I do find it had to do with your original statement. Like I already mentioned, I wasn't directing "basher" at you but most of the bandwagoners who just run with what ever reason someone else posts without reading a bit more into it.

I do not deny that they do collect some data but so far neither you or me have no clue what kind of.
Again, you're focusing on yourself. Your privacy, your usage habits, control over your life. The privacy of the individual isn't damaged by direct infringement upon their privacy; it's damaged by the social implications of privacy infringement on a massive scale. Privacy protects speech, it protects the development of social and political views from government over generations, it protects the the electoral process, and it protects political freedom. If you bothered to look at how privacy was decided upon as a necessary right, by looking at how privacy infringement has been used to destroy great nations throughout history, you'd understand this.

Secondly, the predatory tactics can be rationalized in a million different ways. It will still result in most people unknowingly or unconcernedly losing their privacy. The damage still occurs, because privacy infringement isn't a simple individual issue. The government has been systematically removing all barriers between itself and the data gathered by corporations.

And no, I'm not concerned that Microsoft somehow has control of my life just because they might or do collect information about my usage habits. The collaborative effort of corporations and government, along with the generational implications of privacy infringement, is what has me concerned. Mostly, I'm concerned about my children and my country. I don't expect to deal with the consequences in my lifetime.

We have the talk about what these corporations and (sometimes) what the government is doing to access our personal data. We rarely have the talk about why that privacy matters, and that debate seems to be very necessary because the actual worth of privacy seems to be lost common-knowledge.

Bandwagoners are bandwagoning and journalists are jumping the gun because they see the collective loss of privacy as the underlying issue. Mainstream media is meek about the issue for reasons I won't speculate. Independent journalists are trying to break the stories, but can't afford to hire programmers for fact-checking. None of these facts are grounds to dismiss the underlying issue, which is the massive scale in which privacy is being lost.

Privacy isn't central to you. It's not all about your privacy. It's not only about how you are effected by the loss privacy.

When the implications of lost privacy effect the majority, it's the minority who lose their voice. Loss of privacy protection is loss of protection for the free speech of politicians, press, and corporate bodies. The strokes get broader as the damage is done, and can eventually effect upstart politicians, the educational process, the individuals. These are the lessons of history.

It has nothing to do with your data. It has everything to do with most people's data. Abuse of the tipped scale between government and the people is a generational eventuality, in the absence of a fundamental right to privacy.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/when-it-comes-to-windows-10-privacy-dont-trust-amateur-analysts/

Not saying you are an amateur but a lot of the "HURR DURR MY PRIVACY" people in here just jump on the bandwagon what fits them at the time while more than half what they block doesn't even matter what so ever to your privacy.

inb4 "He's paid by ms or he's a fanboy" comments.

I'm sorry, but I'm not taking seriously someone who uses phrases like "HURR DURR MY PRIVACY.". Watching you trying to debate Mookster on something you obviously know little about is like watching an infant trying to debate a college professor.

And you admitted in another post that not you (or anyone) knows what MS collects, yet you somehow claim to know if it matters or not. Your trust in a company that continues to refuse to be transparent in anything it is doing with W10 and also continues to use as many "underhanded" tricks that it can get away with to get people on it, baffles me.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not taking seriously someone who uses phrases like "HURR DURR MY PRIVACY.". Watching you trying to debate Mookster on something you obviously know little about is like watching an infant trying to debate a college professor.

And you admitted in another post that not you (or anyone) knows what MS collects, yet you somehow claim to know if it matters or not. Your trust in a company that continues to refuse to be transparent in anything it is doing with W10 and also continues to use as many "underhanded" tricks that it can get away with to get people on it, baffles me.

Believe me, I don't have the slightest interest if you take me seriously or not. thumb.gif
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whats a good place to start?

Search "security hardening guide" for whatever OS you are using. Do a whole lot of reading.
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You are ignorant of the fact you are already being watched.

I'm well aware of the fact that I'm being watched. That's why I don't wear pants at my PC.
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You mean cookies which have been around for... I'm not even sure

Over twenty years.

There were privacy concerns with cookies then, and most browsers can block them all now, if you want them to...though because they are so ubiquitous a lot of stuff won't work without HTTP cookies.
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I like the description of the patch in Windows Update. Looks just like a typical bug fix.

It's a fix for a known bug that makes it more difficult for them to get your personal info, browsing habits, where you go, what you do, how you do it, what you like, what you don't like, who you hang with and how often, what you had for dinner last night and how you like it, who it was that went to dinner with you, what they had, how they like it done, exatly where you live, what color your bedsheets are, the layout of your room, who you snuck in and had fun with, your high-score to your favorite game, what your favorite game really is and isn't, what you drive, how you drive it, how far you drive it everyday, why you drive it..... Even about what you did last Summer. biggrin.gif

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