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Well the real reason I disabled it was because windows update was taking 25% of my cpu for the past week. Disabled windows update and now I have no problems.

What is the point of running of a service you don't use anyway?

I don't see any advantage to having windows update enabled just so I can be spammed to upgrade to windows 10 plus it no longer randomly decides to use a quarter of my cpu whenever it feels like it.

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So now we are downright stupid. Thanks for the compliment.

It is your opinion that it is stupid, not a fact. I'm not sure why you see it as such a bad thing to disable windows update.


Is my life at stake if I don't update windows? What is the worst that can happen? So *knock on wood* I haven't had a virus in a decade and it really doesn't seem like a big deal. Oh noes I have to spend 30 minutes to format/reinstall windows for something that happened to me once 10 years ago.

For your average user, sure keep it enabled. But for us power users, I try to minimize the number of services running at all times. The worst that can happen is a reinstall of windows.

Making an extremist example about your life being at stake is not an excuse for lack of knowledge and ignorance towards a subject. Sure, you can justify your point with it here, but in the real world it is not applicable.

Is your life at risk? In your mind it isn't, then you get a nice worm that exploits vulnerabilities and even more happens leading to your personal information being stolen, now you're a potential identity theft victim. I don't expect you to apply this logic behind you're reasoning because you've already questioned the importance of running a "service you don't use". Maybe if you learn a little bit more and understand how a .docx and .pdf can gain elevated privileges in your system, you wouldn't be ranting about your issues and claiming you are a "power user".

Your OS does what it is configured to do, if you configure things properly you will not have these issues. Ranting about not being infected in 10 years doesn't earn you a Network+ or Security certification. Maybe none of this will make sense to you rolleyes.gif as you don't understand the importance of patching vulnerabilities or bugs in an OS.
Edited by alphabet - 2/29/16 at 9:14pm
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I have noticed Windows update use lots of CPU time as well. Worse still is that I've also seen it regularly consume and retain hold of 1.5GB of RAM. This was on an old server with 4GB of RAM that often sat at 90%+ usage thanks to this amazing service.
    
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The ram usage is a real thing, although I've only seen it when applying a high volume of updates (ie. when updating straight from SP1, or if the system hasn't been updated in several months). Excessive RAM usage, CPU loading, inordinate amounts of time spent "checking for updates", errors checking for updates, errors applying updates, strange updates appearing after WU cleanup and continuing to re-appear and re-install no matter how many times you install them... WU has become a total nightmare in recent years. However, on a modern system with an SSD it's still manageable if you apply the updates as they come (ie. don't let it get backed up with months of updates) and it's definitely preferable to not updating the OS at all. If WU is that much of a problem for you, then you should be finding another avenue by which to deliver updates (like WSUS), not just taking the reckless approach of abandoning updates altogether.

The conspiracy theorists suggest that MS might be deliberately gimping WU to coax people onto Win10, and I admit that the thought has crossed my mind (it did seem to get really bad, really quickly). But the reality of it is more likely that the sheer number of existing updates is beginning to take it's toll on this extremely complicated system that allows for any update to be removed/installed independently (both a blessing, and, it would seem, a curse).
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If you have auto update enabled on Windows7 or 8.1
Then indeed MS is injecting telemetry **** like keyloggers etc into your OS.
Also there is a big chance that MS is secretly downloading the windows10 installation onto your system.
If you have autoupdate enabled.
Check if there is a hidden folder in root called Windows ~BT~

Also you might check this topic about KB updates you should prevent from installing and hide them.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2444042

Unfortunatly, windows 7 and 8.x are going downhill pretty quickly.
Edited by Sintezza - 2/29/16 at 10:33pm
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http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ GWX control panel... block download, block option, block the sucker from running and if they make it do something else warn you to update to block that too
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The ram usage is a real thing, although I've only seen it when applying a high volume of updates (ie. when updating straight from SP1, or if the system hasn't been updated in several months).

This server is way behind in updates (probably 12 months), but it has the high memory consumption issue before applying them. Simply generating the list of available updates requires gobbling up RAM and it never releases it. It's a consistently reproducible problem. If I restart the WU service it will begin its search again and the memory will creep up as before. We do use WSUS, but it's an old dev box that has been poorly configured so it never gets the patches applied until someone actually does it manually.
    
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This server is way behind in updates (probably 12 months), but it has the high memory consumption issue before applying them.

I don't see any long term WU memory creep ony any of my systems.

Are you sure that the high RAM usage isn't because you're way behind in updates. I can vaguely remember one update with something about WU RAM usage in it's notes.

EDIT: Here it is: KB3050265

"This update addresses an issue in which system performance can be decreased during scans. This issue has the greatest effect on computers that have a small amount of physical memory."
Edited by Oubadah - 2/29/16 at 11:43pm
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It could be. I think I've stumbled across that page before so it might have already been applied. I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been though.
    
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Also there is a big chance that MS is secretly downloading the windows10 installation onto your system.
If you have autoupdate enabled.
Check if there is a hidden folder in root called Windows ~BT~

Also you might check this topic about KB updates you should prevent from installing and hide them.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2444042

As I said in post 26, there are far more elegant solutions to the GWX problem than uninstalling updates en masse. No one has a good grasp on what exactly the contents of all those updates are (because of Microsoft's unhelpfully vague release notes), and some may well contain updates relevant to Windows 7 itself. People should stop spreading around those lists now as they are largely obsolete.
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As I said in post 26, there are far more elegant solutions to the GWX problem than uninstalling updates en masse. No one has a good grasp on what exactly the contents of all those updates are (because of Microsoft's unhelpfully vague release notes), and some may well contain updates relevant to Windows 7 itself. People should stop spreading around those lists now as they are largely obsolete.

Just do a search by date and see what files are updated to find out what gets patched.
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