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Just do a search by date and see what files are updated to find out what gets patched.

That's not really going to help much. Take KB2990214 for example. It shows up on every one of those bloody stupid lists, but it alters a bunch of files that may not be exclusively related to Windows 10/GWX. Additionally:

"These WU [Windows Update] clients are used as part of the Windows 10 upgrade scenarios which will go live at release but are still used for down-level operating systems as the "regular" Windows Update client. This update is applicable to your systems even if you're not planning to migrate to Windows 10, so don't think you can skip it."

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2910739/patch-management/microsoft-elaborates-on-kb-2990214-kb-3044374-windows-10-nagware-patches.html

Why do people still choose to exclude updates like that when they they can save themselves a lot of time and effort by using the Microsoft sanctioned method to achieve the same outcome (preventing WX upgrade).
Edited by Oubadah - 3/1/16 at 1:13am
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That's not really going to help much. Take KB2990214 for example. It shows up on every one of those bloody stupid lists, but it alters a bunch of files that may not be exclusively related to Windows 10/GWX. Additionally:

"These WU [Windows Update] clients are used as part of the Windows 10 upgrade scenarios which will go live at release but are still used for down-level operating systems as the "regular" Windows Update client. This update is applicable to your systems even if you're not planning to migrate to Windows 10, so don't think you can skip it."

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2910739/patch-management/microsoft-elaborates-on-kb-2990214-kb-3044374-windows-10-nagware-patches.html

Why do people still choose to exclude updates like that when they they can save themselves a lot of time and effort by using the Microsoft sanctioned method to achieve the same outcome (preventing WX upgrade).

I skipped KB2990214, to utterly no perceptible ill effect.

The update only patches Windows Update to enable upgrades via Windows Update to other versions of Windows. If Windows Update works without it and still provides one with updates, and doesn't have any apparent bugs, why would I want to install KB2990214, or any other update with a title and description to the same effect?

It doesn't take much time or effort at all to uncheck a half dozen boxes after a clean install, or to skim the descriptions of new updates as they crop up.
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The update only patches Windows Update to enable upgrades via Windows Update to other versions of Windows.

You're just regurgitating the KB title. You don't know any more about it's contents than I do. Forgive me if I don't ignore the advice of Joseph Conway in favour of your anecdote.
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It doesn't take much time or effort at all to uncheck a half dozen boxes after a clean install, or to skim the descriptions of new updates as they crop up.

And yet you have threads like this one full of people whining about the constant stream of updates. Still, you know what takes even less time and effort? Clicking on a single .reg file and never having to sift through GWX updates again. If you have a compelling argument for why the MS supplied registry method should not be preferable to monitoring and hiding updates, I'm all ears.
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Guys , this is really weird,.. on a recently box i installed.

the update Windows authentication, KB 971033 now installs AUTOMATICALLY, even though it's hidden..

I even ran that aegis script.. Still pops up automatically...


WHICH MEANS, one of the updates is able to Ignore windows update settings ? hahahahaha

And of course automatic update is turned off.. Microsoft wants money bad ? biggrin.gif



Anyone seen this ?
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Guys , this is really weird,.. on a recently box i installed.

the update Windows authentication, KB 971033 now installs AUTOMATICALLY, even though it's hidden..

I even ran that aegis script.. Still pops up automatically...


WHICH MEANS, one of the updates is able to Ignore windows update settings ? hahahahaha

And of course automatic update is turned off.. Microsoft wants money bad ? biggrin.gif



Anyone seen this ?

It's not unprecedented. MS has been sneaking in occasional updates in spite of user settings for a very long time. It's usually WU client updates, but them doing it for an activation technologies update would not surprise me.
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Search "security hardening guide" for whatever OS you are using. Do a whole lot of reading.

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Well if you know nothing at all then I suppose looking at network+ content would be a great start to learn the terms and basics.

Then build a lab environment for you to play in and try setting some goals, break it a few times and know why it's broken and why it worked.

Building a lab can be quite cheap, and that same lab can be used for your network later too.

The issue is that it can be pretty dry content, and not many people care to spend too much time in it.

thanks guys, been wanting to become more knowledgeable about the subject. I know it's going to be pretty boring but it will be worth it.
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You're just regurgitating the KB title.

No, I'm referring to the files and versions listed. Every single file is a component of Windows Update and every single file in KBKB2990214 is an older version than what an otherwise fully patched (minus any update that refers to a new version of Windows in the description) Windows 7 should have.
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You don't know any more about it's contents than I do.

Then you know far more than you need to know about the contents to see that KB2990214 is utterly unnecessary.

Even if you never install it, or any of the other updates I've hidden myself, KB2990214 it's not even listed any more because it's depreciated by newer, kosher, updates.

Here: http://cdn.overclock.net/9/90/909a948f_KB2990214.png

You can see that some other update also incremented Windows Update to 18804 in the past, and that even with all the current "upgrade" updates hidden, Windows Update is now several versions newer than that listed in KB2990214.

Why would I bother to install an update that would now not do anything at all?
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Forgive me if I don't ignore the advice of Joseph Conway in favour of your anecdote.

My anecdote is a demonstrable fact.

Check the files yourself. If you have Windows fully updated, not one single file from KB2990214 is even active anymore. There will be remnants in WinSxS in case you roll back the updates that succeeded it, but that's it.
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And yet you have threads like this one full of people whining about the constant stream of updates.

I haven't made any such thread. I just hide one or two updates every other month...no skin off my teeth and I preserve my system from excess fluff I will never use.
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Still, you know what takes even less time and effort? Clicking on a single .reg file and never having to sift through GWX updates again. If you have a compelling argument for why the MS supplied registry method should not be preferable to monitoring and hiding updates, I'm all ears.

Because hiding the prompt isn't the same as not having excess trash in the first place.

I don't want GWX on my system, not just because GWX prompts are annoying, but because the files themselves offend my sensibilities.
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As I said in post 26, there are far more elegant solutions to the GWX problem than uninstalling updates en masse. No one has a good grasp on what exactly the contents of all those updates are (because of Microsoft's unhelpfully vague release notes), and some may well contain updates relevant to Windows 7 itself. People should stop spreading around those lists now as they are largely obsolete.
GWX is not the only reason people hide updates. Many are trying to avoid new telemetry updates as well.
    
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GWX is not the only reason people hide updates. Many are trying to avoid new telemetry updates as well.

This, turning off recommended updates on a fresh install of windows before updating already takes care of GWX. It's the telemetry updates you have to vigilant about.
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