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Long story short: Had a D14 in my old build, moved it to new build it was being suffocated due to "cramped" matx case + board. I figured if I could get a "custom" loop pretty cheaply I would try to go for that, which leads to my question:

 

Do pumps usually have signs that they are going to stop working due to age? I bought an older Danger Den DC12 pump (it seems to be equivalent to the Phobya DC12-220) for $25. I know DC12 pumps are not particularly good (well, I never see them recommended, but they seem to be 'fine'), but I am aiming for extreme overclocks. I am just hoping that the pump doesn't go from working 'perfectly' to dead instantly; as I would like to have enough time to receive a new pump before my computer becomes un-useable. My H220 went from working to not working with enough time to find something else (I didn't know that it had to be connected to a 4pin header when I bought it :doh: [years ago]), but the glacial 240L I got to replace it died basically instantly.

 

 

Also, are there any inherent flaws with this loop plan:

pump -> 240mm rad [stock H220 rad with res] -> 4770k (H220 block w/o pump + inversed direction-> 120mm rad [random radiator]-> 390 (Swiftech mcw82) [i have heatsinks and thermal pads for the vrms and fans blowing directly on the card] -> pump.

 

Not going to overclock the GPU much (if at all) and the cpu will be at ~4.5ghz at 1.24v. Also, was there a better way to spend ~ $80 ($25 for the pump, ~$25 for the gpu block, $20 for 10' of tubing and $10 for 4 fittings) to keep my GPU cooler and quieter?

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Long story short: Had a D14 in my old build, moved it to new build it was being suffocated due to "cramped" matx case + board. I figured if I could get a "custom" loop pretty cheaply I would try to go for that, which leads to my question:

Do pumps usually have signs that they are going to stop working due to age? I bought an older Danger Den DC12 pump (it seems to be equivalent to the Phobya DC12-220) for $25. I know DC12 pumps are not particularly good (well, I never see them recommended, but they seem to be 'fine'), but I am aiming for extreme overclocks. I am just hoping that the pump doesn't go from working 'perfectly' to dead instantly; as I would like to have enough time to receive a new pump before my computer becomes un-useable. My H220 went from working to not working with enough time to find something else (I didn't know that it had to be connected to a 4pin header when I bought it doh.gif  [years ago]), but the glacial 240L I got to replace it died basically instantly.


Also, are there any inherent flaws with this loop plan:
pump -> 240mm rad [stock H220 rad with res] -> 4770k (H220 block w/o pump + inversed direction-> 120mm rad [random radiator]-> 390 (Swiftech mcw82) -> pump.

Not going to overclock the GPU much (if at all) and the cpu will be at ~4.5ghz at 1.24v. Also, was there a better way to spend ~ $80 ($25 for the pump, ~$25 for the gpu block, $20 for 10' of tubing and $10 for 4 fittings) to keep my GPU cooler and quieter?

Water cooling is expensive especially when you are talking about putting together a custom loop. With that being said generally you want to have the pump being feed directly from the reservior because it has the least chance of running dry, which will kill it; however, pumps can fail without warning and that's just part of the deal. If you are concerned about it you should put 2 pumps in serial for redundancy.
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Long story short: Had a D14 in my old build, moved it to new build it was being suffocated due to "cramped" matx case + board. I figured if I could get a "custom" loop pretty cheaply I would try to go for that, which leads to my question:

Do pumps usually have signs that they are going to stop working due to age? I bought an older Danger Den DC12 pump (it seems to be equivalent to the Phobya DC12-220) for $25. I know DC12 pumps are not particularly good (well, I never see them recommended, but they seem to be 'fine'), but I am aiming for extreme overclocks. I am just hoping that the pump doesn't go from working 'perfectly' to dead instantly; as I would like to have enough time to receive a new pump before my computer becomes un-useable. My H220 went from working to not working with enough time to find something else (I didn't know that it had to be connected to a 4pin header when I bought it doh.gif  [years ago]), but the glacial 240L I got to replace it died basically instantly.


Also, are there any inherent flaws with this loop plan:
pump -> 240mm rad [stock H220 rad with res] -> 4770k (H220 block w/o pump + inversed direction-> 120mm rad [random radiator]-> 390 (Swiftech mcw82) -> pump.

Not going to overclock the GPU much (if at all) and the cpu will be at ~4.5ghz at 1.24v. Also, was there a better way to spend ~ $80 ($25 for the pump, ~$25 for the gpu block, $20 for 10' of tubing and $10 for 4 fittings) to keep my GPU cooler and quieter?

Water cooling is expensive especially when you are talking about putting together a custom loop. With that being said generally you want to have the pump being feed directly from the reservior because it has the least chance of running dry, which will kill it; however, pumps can fail without warning and that's just part of the deal. If you are concerned about it you should put 2 pumps in serial for redundancy.

Damn, oh well; will switch order to rad -> pump -> cpu -> etc.

 

Budget was basically non-existent; this loop was more of a 'how little can I spend with it still being adequate'-project than anything. Got bored and figured water cooling would be something interesting to do (never done a full loop before) and could potentially be cheap (considering the amount of rads and 'cpu-blocks' I have amassed).

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Damn, oh well; will switch order to rad -> pump -> cpu -> etc.

Budget was basically non-existent; this loop was more of a 'how little can I spend with it still being adequate'-project than anything. Got bored and figured water cooling would be something interesting to do (never done a full loop before) and could potentially be cheap (considering the amount of rads and 'cpu-blocks' I have amassed).

That could work with the radiator above the pump. It will be tricky filling the system though because as your cycling the system on and off to fill you won't be able to see how much fluid is in the radiator and so you won't know if the pump is running dry. I would recommend you throw a reservoir in there because even though you don't technically need one it makes filling, bleeding and topping off the system much easier. I wasn't trying to discourage your earlier just don't want to mislead you.
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For the amount of cost your saying, imo its worth it to at least try. You won't break any records but it should help keep it a little cooler than air and put less heat into the case. That pump is not bad, its just the smaller of the pumps readily available for custom loops. I have one running my entire loop with 2 blocks and 2 rads and about 1/2 dozen elbows and its just fine. As mentioned previously pumps can fail without warning though, or they may give you some pretty annoying noises to let you know they're failing. Either way that pump is easy to get online and can be shipped overnight, and even Microcenter sells them now if you have one near.

Now the other great thing about trying this is once you have a custom loop up and running, parts can be upgraded and swapped out pretty easily, so it minimizes the long term cost when your ready to get a full block, change the pump, add a rad or res, etc. So you can upgrade slowly over time without spending tons of cash at once. As far as anything in that same price range, there isn't anything custom, you would have to go with a CLC and probably wouldn't get the performance that even a makeshift custom loop can give.
 
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James, thanks again for the response, yea bleeding/filling it is a little annoying, though my case makes it 'easy' to put the loop in after making it (which makes it easy leak test).

Radnad - thats great to hear! I hadnt heard much about the pump but figured it couldnt be horrible. Also I didnt think about the modularity, as soon as I get a real job I could put more money into the loop little by little.
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James, thanks again for the response, yea bleeding/filling it is a little annoying, though my case makes it 'easy' to put the loop in after making it (which makes it easy leak test).

Radnad - thats great to hear! I hadnt heard much about the pump but figured it couldnt be horrible. Also I didnt think about the modularity, ad soon as I get a real job I could put nore money into the loop little by litte.

Yea most single components are $50-$100 so it's easy to build on and replace over time. I even use birthdays and Christmas and ask for gift cards. The hardest part is draining and tearing down the loop when you want to change something out, but water cooling is like an addiction, once your into it you just can't stop. As soon as I finish one loop I'm already planning the next loop.
 
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@Radnad makes a good point about upgrading over time so that you don't have to shell out a lot up front. The point about it being addictive is also a good one. tongue.gif
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