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Here's a montage of what he said (NSFW there's a few crazy comments)

You can judge for yourself if this is appropriate behavior. Personally, I think he took it too far for a live stream. His jokes would have been alright behind closed doors, but you know, people do get offended. I side with Gabe but I still think it was unprofessional to publicly TANK this guy's career.
     
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Originally Posted by venom55520 View Post


Here's a montage of what he said (NSFW there's a few crazy comments)

You can judge for yourself if this is appropriate behavior. Personally, I think he took it too far for a live stream. His jokes would have been alright behind closed doors, but you know, people do get offended. I side with Gabe but I still think it was unprofessional to publicly TANK this guy's career.

I find this guy hilarious for me personally it makes it atleast fun to watch. But i would have to agree its not really appropriate for everybody to watch.
    
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So basically Gabe is telling the community that he doesn't like them, at all. What a great thing to say about your devoted consumer base who spend the most time and money on your game.
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

So basically Gabe is telling the community that he doesn't like them, at all. What a great thing to say about your devoted consumer base who spend the most time and money on your game.

not really.

He is trying ( or failing ) to bring a level of commercial success ( read mega bucks money ) to e-sports. If you have hosts on any successful broadcast media platform you don't tend to see them talking trash about sexual themes, jokes to the disabled, or sexism,racism. e-sports will eventually be successful enough to have a dedicated consumer broadcast format it will need to pass the same stringent laws as everyone else, especially seen as it can in theory be broadcast earlier than past watershed adult content.



This is going to be really hard for a lot of 'gamers' to grasp, swearing, casual racism and .. yup 'sexual vulgarity' is main stay trash talk, not only is it a huge part of general gaming but its also a cultural difference. In many countries the way your average EUAmerican gamer talks is often quite offensive to other more conservative cultures. Now its OK to say i don't give a crap, but Gabe does and so will any company that wants to invest
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I totally get what Valve did here, only it was done in a pretty childish way.

You have to understand that 2GD is followed by so many because he acts like a moron, that's the only reason. That is exactly what you would expect from a community of meme-loving trolls (dota 2). Being yourself is good, but you can't say anything you want in front of a camera because you can damage not only your reputation but the reputation of the game/company you represent.

The dota 2 community as a whole needs to grow up already.

I hope he can figure it all out and rebuild his way into something.
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sorry gaben, but seems you are forgetting yourly 1 bill in profit a year mostly comes from "nonPC" crowd tongue.gif

alienating your consumer base to get a bunch of SJW sponsors for tournaments might not go too well

I hope the next years presenter might stage a north korean version of the show, where he is blessing the glorious leader Gaben smile.gif only to mix a joke a little and then be dragged off the stage by north korean military clad guards xD

now that would be funny

PS: in my country of 5m i was shocked to find that a local youtuber who spoke only in our language had 1.5million subscribers lol. then i realized since our language is way too similar with neighbouring country of 10m, those numbers are realistic. anyway that guy is puting chocolade on his face and plays pc games and kids/teens like him a lot. its the way he does his job/his persona

gaben behaved here like a billionaire buffoon, who is out of touch with his customer base. ou well, in west the free speech is only if a person has money
Edited by revro - 2/28/16 at 3:35am
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"We want e-sports to be taken seriously!"
"Yeah - e-sports should be seen as a professional sport!"

Then....

"Wait, how dare this guy get fired for being offensive and unprofessional in a way that would get any other professional sports host fired so damn quickly he wouldn't even see the end of the game!"
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Quote:
Originally Posted by revro View Post

sorry gaben, but seems you are forgetting yourly 1 bill in profit a year mostly comes from "nonPC" crowd tongue.gif

alienating your consumer base to get a bunch of SJW sponsors for tournaments might not go too well

I hope the next years presenter might stage a north korean version of the show, where he is blessing the glorious leader Gaben smile.gif only to mix a joke a little and then be dragged off the stage by north korean military clad guards xD

now that would be funny

PS: in my country of 5m i was shocked to find that a local youtuber who spoke only in our language had 1.5million subscribers lol. then i realized since our language is way too similar with neighbouring country of 10m, those numbers are realistic. anyway that guy is puting chocolade on his face and plays pc games and kids/teens like him a lot. its the way he does his job/his persona

gaben behaved here like a billionaire buffoon, who is out of touch with his customer base. ou well, in west the free speech is only if a person has money

This childish need to automatically cry "SJW' every time someone tries to curb outright offensive behavior absolutely baffles me. Why is it such a bad thing to promote basic human decency?
There are appropriate places for dark or offensive humor and a live broadcast in an environment that is supposed to have a level of professionalism is certainly not one. It seems absolutely insane to me that we live in a world where if you're not being an ***hole, or you're not attacking minorities or if you're not being just generally despicable you're being "too politically correct" and you're a "SJW".

Taking the "SJW" meme out of context, I don't even understand how in the hell the idea of social justice could ever be a bad thing.

Is it really so much to ask that adults behave like adults rather than petulant children?
Edited by dragneel - 2/28/16 at 4:06am
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They might have reasons or they might not. This is not the main concern I have with steam, though.

Edit: as for fervent fighters under the feigned banner social justice, not sure how this relates to this, but I do not believe in fighting under false flag. I'm all for justice, though. At least if it represents perceived individual justice for the overwhelming part.

If justice was served that day, I cannot tell. Don't know this guy, nor watch dota2.

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Originally Posted by venom55520 View Post


Here's a montage of what he said (NSFW there's a few crazy comments)

You can judge for yourself if this is appropriate behavior. Personally, I think he took it too far for a live stream. His jokes would have been alright behind closed doors, but you know, people do get offended. I side with Gabe but I still think it was unprofessional to publicly TANK this guy's career.

Seems like he got fired for poking fun at china/porn? Very professional cast aside from that, though maybe I missed something. (where's the NSFW stuff?)
Edited by Tivan - 2/28/16 at 5:59am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by venom55520 View Post


Here's a montage of what he said (NSFW there's a few crazy comments)

You can judge for yourself if this is appropriate behavior. Personally, I think he took it too far for a live stream. His jokes would have been alright behind closed doors, but you know, people do get offended. I side with Gabe but I still think it was unprofessional to publicly TANK this guy's career.

I would never wear a tie under a sweater vest.

Actually, I've never worn a tie. I did wear a sweater vest a few times, but that's because I was cold and couldn't find a real sweater.
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Originally Posted by GingerJohn View Post

"We want e-sports to be taken seriously!"
"Yeah - e-sports should be seen as a professional sport!"

Then....

"Wait, how dare this guy get fired for being offensive and unprofessional in a way that would get any other professional sports host fired so damn quickly he wouldn't even see the end of the game!"

Were it not for the vast sums involved, I don't think I'd be able to take any sport particularly seriously.

I do agree that if their goal was to emulate larger sporting venues, having this guy as an announcer was probably not the right move.
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