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Let me tell you what I think about this in a monologue below:
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What is PC gaming? What should represent PC gaming? Do you play any of the popular MOBA games? What games do you play?

I don't think he/she understands what gaming cancer is, firstly you've got to fly all the way back to the truck stop games to know what it is. Throwing it around like MOBAs are is not fair to the MOBA titles that are genuinely good.

Newest breed of gaming cancer is playing a semi-realistic game and some kid jumps out at you with an Anime name. That stuff right there is cancer gold.
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I was entertained by the cast, and I personally don't think he took anything too far aside from dropping the F-Bomb which admittedly was really stupid. If anyone has watched the CS:GO esports scene, that guy thorin is a supreme douche bag who has said WAY worse than this particular host. In this hosts retort he spoke about personal issues with a member of valves staff before, so I think it was mostly a personal thing.

This particular tourney was incredibly bad from a production standpoint, and the production team has since be fired as well. This man was made to fill in massive gaps in play time due to production issues and did what he could to pass the time. I'm not giving him a free pass by any means, but he was told personally by icefrog to be himself, as opposed to when he was in TI4 and had specific instructions to treat it like an ESPN style sports analyst desk.

The guy is a douche, there's no question, but CS:GO casters make jokes about race, sex, and throw players and teams under the bus all the time. The fact that it's ok for CS, another valve game, and not ok for DOTA 2 sounds like BS to me. It's personal.
Edited by InvaderMig - 2/28/16 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Valor958 View Post

Let me tell you what I think about this in a monologue below:

My sentiments exactly.

I can't be the only one who doesn't follow this stuff.
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Originally Posted by InvaderMig View Post

I was entertained by the cast, and I personally don't think he took anything too far aside from dropping the F-Bomb which admittedly was really stupid. If anyone has watched the CS:GO esports scene, that guy thorin is a supreme douche bag who has said WAY worse than this particular host. In this hosts retort he spoke about personal issues with a member of valves staff before, so I think it was mostly a personal thing.

This particular tourney was incredibly bad from a production standpoint, and the production team has since be fired as well. This man was made to fill in massive gaps in play time due to production issues and did what he could to pass the time. I'm not giving him a free pass by any means, but he was told personally by icefrog to be himself, as opposed to when he was in TI4 and had specific instructions to treat it like an ESPN style sports analyst desk.

The guy is a douche, there's no question, but CS:GO casters make jokes about race, sex, and throw players and teams under the bus all the time. The fact that it's ok for CS, another valve game, and not ok for DOTA 2 sounds like BS to me. It's personal.

I think CS:GO not directly rated its implied 18+ vs Dota 2 which would be All ages.
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I was entertained by the cast, and I personally don't think he took anything too far aside from dropping the F-Bomb which admittedly was really stupid. If anyone has watched the CS:GO esports scene, that guy thorin is a supreme douche bag who has said WAY worse than this particular host. In this hosts retort he spoke about personal issues with a member of valves staff before, so I think it was mostly a personal thing.

This particular tourney was incredibly bad from a production standpoint, and the production team has since be fired as well. This man was made to fill in massive gaps in play time due to production issues and did what he could to pass the time. I'm not giving him a free pass by any means, but he was told personally by icefrog to be himself, as opposed to when he was in TI4 and had specific instructions to treat it like an ESPN style sports analyst desk.

The guy is a douche, there's no question, but CS:GO casters make jokes about race, sex, and throw players and teams under the bus all the time. The fact that it's ok for CS, another valve game, and not ok for DOTA 2 sounds like BS to me. It's personal.

But thooorin has a degree in journalism, he must know what he's talking about!

Seriously though, very entertaining guy. thumb.gif
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Here's a montage of what he said (NSFW there's a few crazy comments)

You can judge for yourself if this is appropriate behavior. Personally, I think he took it too far for a live stream. His jokes would have been alright behind closed doors, but you know, people do get offended. I side with Gabe but I still think it was unprofessional to publicly TANK this guy's career.

his opening speech he, joking or not, blurts out the "c" word followed by ranting about china's censorship and his inability to pleasure himself to pornography at the "chinese hotel" when physically addressing the asian player. i stopped watching the video right after that.

that dialog is something i expect and find far more appropriate for a small amateur twitch stream than a public, professional stream for mass public viewership.

gabe did the right thing.
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It's funny you say this, since there was nothing politically incorrect or socially exclusive being said by this guy, as far as I could tell. Maybe I just missed all the genderphobe/racist/antisocial comments or something, but I can't really put this in a political correctness context.
Refer to fedora-tippers in the reddit thread for context.
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his opening speech he, joking or not, blurts out the "c" word followed by ranting about china's censorship and his inability to pleasure himself to pornography at the "chinese hotel" when physically addressing the asian player. i stopped watching the video right after that.

that dialog is something i expect and find far more appropriate for a small amateur twitch stream than a public, professional stream for mass public viewership.

gabe did the right thing.

Maybe if gabe said that that's his point of concern, I'd consider what gabe did reasonable. Only maybe though. At least he wouldn't have gone a level below that caster by publicly calling him an ass, then.

I still think that talking about bodily functions is perfectly reasonable to a degree. You be the judge here!

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Refer to fedora-tippers in the reddit thread for context.

I don't even know what fedora-tippers are, aside from it being a supportive gesture.
Were they all making inappropriate comments or something?
Edited by Tivan - 2/28/16 at 2:38pm
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Maybe if gabe said that that's his point of concern, I'd consider what gabe did reasonable. Only maybe though. At least he wouldn't have gone a level below that caster by publicly calling him an ass, then.

I still think that talking about bodily functions is perfectly reasonable to a degree. You be the judge here!

gabe did nothing wrong. the guy was being a fool of himself and highly inappropriate. the host made a total mockery of the event. even the "guest stars" that were there seemed highly uncomfortable from the video footage. you don't open up talking about your inability to pleasure yourself to porn.

let alone gabe calling him an ass was after the firing and when questioned why he fired him.

i understand that some may like the guy and appear to enjoy his humor but its highly inappropriate and most importantly, not the humor valve wanted for the event.

its find for a armature twitch stream but armature twitch stream was NOT what valve, gabe, clearly wanted.

do you think if OCN was hosting such an event they would want their hosts to talk about masturbating to porn and blurting out the "c" word and dropping f-bombs? why would valve, gabe, want that? they're trying to clean up the MOBA scene and get it to take off. its not going to go mainstream if "professional" hosts sit there and talk about masturbating to porn.
Edited by orlfman - 2/28/16 at 2:43pm
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