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gabe did nothing wrong. the guy was being a fool of himself and highly inappropriate. the host made a total mockery of the event. even the "guest stars" that were there seemed highly uncomfortable from the video footage. you don't open up talking about your inability to pleasure yourself to porn.

let alone gabe calling him an ass was after the firing and when questioned why he fired him.

i understand that some may like the guy and appear to enjoy his humor but its highly inappropriate and most importantly, not the humor valve wanted for the event.

its find for a armature twitch stream but armature twitch stream was NOT what valve, gabe, clearly wanted.

Then why the hell did they hire him and tell him to be himself? They knew his personality and then telling the guy to be himself and now he got fired because he did exactly what they told him to do by being himself.
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Then why the hell did they hire him and tell him to be himself? They knew his personality and then telling the guy to be himself and now he got fired because he did exactly what they told him to do by being himself.

 

Sure, it goes both ways, but it doesn't make Gabe wrong for firing him.

 

ACME hires me for a public-facing job. They see on my unsecured Facebook that I am sometimes profane and inappropriate when addressing groups within my interest circles. They hire me anyway. During a press conference or some such, I talk about how how the bellhop at my hotel was a (insert sexist comment here) and that the hotel didn't have enough porn for my liking preventing me from getting off the night before. I then give my talk about the product.

 

ACME fires me the next day.

 

Was ACME foolish for hiring me after viewing my Facebook? Yes. Were they right to fire me? Also yes.

 

Being hired despite his past is not an excuse for the way that he acted. No employment contract that I've ever seen stipulates that the company is entirely responsible for your conduct in perpetuity because they told you to be yourself.

     
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My thing is.. I've never heard of this guy and I didn't expect to actually like him, but I do..

The thing is, valve act like they didn't know who they were hiring? I watched like 1 youtube video of clips of him before this tournament showing what kind things he says and it's obvious he doesn't censor his mouth.

So now they hire somebody who they know is going to be offensive, and then they fire him for it. The entire thing is just retarded and stupid of valve and everyone is like "oh way to go valve! always standing up for the dota community! : ) "

pathetic.
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his opening speech he, joking or not, blurts out the "c" word followed by ranting about china's censorship and his inability to pleasure himself to pornography at the "chinese hotel" when physically addressing the asian player. i stopped watching the video right after that.

that dialog is something i expect and find far more appropriate for a small amateur twitch stream than a public, professional stream for mass public viewership.

gabe did the right thing.

It's all smut, I can't stand smut as entertainment unless it has an actual joke at the end.
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So basically a caster was fired because he went overboard on his comments and wasn't told to dial it back a bit.
Seems there's two issues here.

1) Lack of proper communication. Gabe is defenitely guilty of this and Valve or the Production company are also at fault here.

2) The host went a little overboard, it should have been common sense that there's things that cannot be said on camera when you're representing a company/product.

I just find this situation sad. A lot of us have probably been in the "I was hired to do X job so I did X job...but the employer actually wanted Y but were being passive agressive with their communication" so to that end I feel bad for the guy...on the other hand...he needed to exercise some common sense. Constant jabs at Chinese censorship given how touchy they are about the subject is a bit of a borderline not good subject, nevermind the wheelchair porn jokes and so forth. He knew the audience but clearly he did not know the employer or the working environment.
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Gabe was 100% justified here, to say otherwise is ignorance.  Valve, and Dota2 by extension, is GabeN's child.  And if you mess with his baby he is likely to smack you for it.  Also, did GabeN personally hire this trashbag for the event or did someone else?  My supervisor can tell me "be yourself" all day at work, that doesn't mean I'm going to open a meeting my VP is sitting in on with a crude joke (or any joke).

"Being yourself" doesn't mean be your self that is shown with your small intimate group of friends, it means they like your personality when you are acting like a professional, host had 0 ability to do that and was fired for it.

 

 

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So basically a caster was fired because he went overboard on his comments and wasn't told to dial it back a bit.
Seems there's two issues here.

1) Lack of proper communication. Gabe is defenitely guilty of this and Valve or the Production company are also at fault here.

2) The host went a little overboard, it should have been common sense that there's things that cannot be said on camera when you're representing a company/product.

I just find this situation sad. A lot of us have probably been in the "I was hired to do X job so I did X job...but the employer actually wanted Y but were being passive agressive with their communication" so to that end I feel bad for the guy...on the other hand...he needed to exercise some common sense. Constant jabs at Chinese censorship given how touchy they are about the subject is a bit of a borderline not good subject, nevermind the wheelchair porn jokes and so forth. He knew the audience but clearly he did not know the employer or the working environment.

 

 

1) That's not how the real world works unfortunately.  The CEO is rarely the one to communicate to all employees the company ethics/standards.  Now, someone else might not have been clear enough on them, but I highly doubt it was GabeN.  CEOs of large companies don't always make every single hiring decision.

I read part of the "why I'm not a donkey's rear and really it's GabeN's fault" letter and it was horrible, whiny and probably hurt the guy even more than just accepting the truth, apologizing and moving on.


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Gabe was 100% justified here, to say otherwise is ignorance.  Valve, and Dota2 by extension, is GabeN's child.  And if you mess with his baby he is likely to smack you for it.  Also, did GabeN personally hire this trashbag for the event or did someone else?  My supervisor can tell me "be yourself" all day at work, that doesn't mean I'm going to open a meeting my VP is sitting in on with a crude joke (or any joke).


"Being yourself" doesn't mean be your self that is shown with your small intimate group of friends, it means they like your personality when you are acting like a professional, host had 0 ability to do that and was fired for it.




1) That's not how the real world works unfortunately.  The CEO is rarely the one to communicate to all employees the company ethics/standards.  Now, someone else might not have been clear enough on them, but I highly doubt it was GabeN.  CEOs of large companies don't always make every single hiring decision.


I read part of the "why I'm not a donkey's rear and really it's GabeN's fault" letter and it was horrible, whiny and probably hurt the guy even more than just accepting the truth, apologizing and moving on.

So when the owner of a company goes out of his way to publicly shame a person it's not a comunication issue? Not sure what world you live in...
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So when the owner of a company goes out of his way to publicly shame a person it's not a comunication issue? Not sure what world you live in...

 

The real world, James made some real poor jokes that reflected poorly on Valve.  Of course they are obligated to publicly state "that guy doesn't represent us as a company so we fired him".  He was so bad they had to publicly distance themselves from him.  Think about that.

Look at Subway Jarrad, Joe Paterno with his aid raping boys etc.  Large organizations always always defend the brand at the expense of the individual.

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The real world, James made some real poor jokes that reflected poorly on Valve.  Of course they are obligated to publicly state "that guy doesn't represent us as a company so we fired him".  He was so bad they had to publicly distance themselves from him.  Think about that.


Look at Subway Jarrad, Joe Paterno with his aid raping boys etc.  Large organizations always always defend the brand at the expense of the individual.

That doesn't address what I said. At all. :/
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The lack of common sense though. Just because a nobody tells you to be yourself doesn't mean you should all things need to be examined in context, I would never find it okay to conduct myself like that in that kind of environment. Perfect example I DJ various party's, wedding's, bachelor you name it I probably have done it. Usually the clients are very clueless when it comes to this stuff. Other than a few music choices for various dances( if wedding) they pretty much just want me to "do my job". Now when somebody tells me to just "do my job" or "do what I normally do". I have to step back and examine the situation, its what makes me good at what I do. If i did what I normally did and played some strip-tease music at a wedding the client and guests would not be happy. When you are put in situations like that you need to use your brain and make good decisions. Just like if arrive to gig and I see there are a lot of children I will make sure to modify my lists to include child appropriate music.
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