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The lack of common sense though. Just because a nobody tells you to be yourself doesn't mean you should all things need to be examined in context, I would never find it okay to conduct myself like that in that kind of environment. Perfect example I DJ various party's, wedding's, bachelor you name it I probably have done it. Usually the clients are very clueless when it comes to this stuff. Other than a few music choices for various dances( if wedding) they pretty much just want me to "do my job". Now when somebody tells me to just "do my job" or "do what I normally do". I have to step back and examine the situation, its what makes me good at what I do. If i did what I normally did and played some strip-tease music at a wedding the client and guests would not be happy. When you are put in situations like that you need to use your brain and make good decisions. Just like if arrive to gig and I see there are a lot of children I will make sure to modify my lists to include child appropriate music.

This guy gets it. tongue.gif
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Sure, it goes both ways, but it doesn't make Gabe wrong for firing him.

ACME hires me for a public-facing job. They see on my unsecured Facebook that I am sometimes profane and inappropriate when addressing groups within my interest circles. They hire me anyway. During a press conference or some such, I talk about how how the bellhop at my hotel was a (insert sexist comment here) and that the hotel didn't have enough porn for my liking preventing me from getting off the night before. I then give my talk about the product.

ACME fires me the next day.

Was ACME foolish for hiring me after viewing my Facebook? Yes. Were they right to fire me? Also yes.

Being hired despite his past is not an excuse for the way that he acted. No employment contract that I've ever seen stipulates that the company is entirely responsible for your conduct in perpetuity because they told you to be yourself.
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That doesn't address what I said. At all. :/


When GabeN has to go out of his way to address James' poor behavior in a very public way it is a communication issue, and it's GabeN having to communicate between his company (Valve) and it's consumers that James' poor taste in humor does not reflect the values of Valve/GabeN.

 

James made his own communication issue and choose to be the cause of it.  In the real world that never plays out in your favor.

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I watched the interview. It's on the same cringe levels as Joel McHale making jokes about gamers being fat and smelly, and adding in cracks about adult diapers, badgering Geoff constantly, snidely insulting developers, and more during VGX 2013. Every single moment of that show was embarrassing. It's funny in the moment, maybe, but it brings down the slightly more serious tone that other events are trying to aim for. Yes, Keighley is a good critic, but he's tried hosting two "game awards" shows since then and both have felt rather flat and uninteresting (helped no end by the fact that there's nothing special about the event either). 

For reference:


 
Agreed, they're in poor taste, but i don't think 2GD was even going for offensive or cringie, he was going for shock humor which totally doesn't fit the general tone of the tournament. Agreed.
     
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Reading all of your guys comments. I'm not sure if you guys understand but most people are upset not with the fact that he got fired but in the manner of which he got fired from. Let's put aside the whole thing with Valve being fully aware of James's hosting personality and Valve being "justified" in terminating him. The issue that bothers me and most people is that Gabe, the CEO of a major gaming company, shamed James publicly and in such a petty and inappropriate way. It is not a okay for any company, including the CEO, to do this. Even more so when Valve requested that James postpone with releasing a statement in which he respectfully agreed to but yet he comes to find out the next day that Gabe releases this petty and childish statement. Valve is a huge company that holds a lot of power and influence in the gaming industry and for the CEO to act in this manner is just so inappropriate. Valve, Gabe and others constantly talking about wanting to make esports and their tournaments professional like a real sport. In no way was that professional at all. You do not see other major companies, organizations or CEO's handling things in this manner. This will likely impact James's career at least somewhat and it is sad to see the way things were handled. The way in which Valve and Gabe handled this has pretty much left a sour taste in my mouth. If you think Gabe was justified in doing whatever he did and he did no wrong, then I honestly do not know what to say to you.

I also find it funny that some people, including people from here, are calling him names and making totally false presumptions of James's character without even fully knowing who he is or what he is about. It is nothing but ignorant. Also, his casting personality does not reflect on what type of person he really is nor does it mean it has to. He has done so much for gaming and esports. He even goes more than out of his way to help others even if they may be a competitor. There isn't even a need to really go into this because it should be pretty evident of what he has done for the gaming scene if you look into it. Dota 2 and its competitive scene in esports wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for him. The only reason that the casters even get paid is because of James. Everyone who "really" knows James genuinely thinks he is a good person and likes him. I'm pretty sure though that James will get through this and get over it with being the kind of person he is.
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Clearly I must not be one of "those people", but I really don't think Valve/GabeN did anything wrong.

 

What would he have even said before Valve released a statement anyways?

 

"Valve are big meanies and can't take a joke?"... the guy got what he deserved and public figures get publicity it comes with the gig.

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Then why the hell did they hire him and tell him to be himself? They knew his personality and then telling the guy to be himself and now he got fired because he did exactly what they told him to do by being himself.

Please.

There is a massive difference between "being yourself" and the things he was saying. He is a grown adult, and knows there is a time and place for his type of language. It is called being a responsible, professional, employee.

I would fire any of my employees I hear talking that way while on my clock with customers present.
    
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Clearly I must not be one of "those people", but I really don't think Valve/GabeN did anything wrong.

What would he have even said before Valve released a statement anyways?

"Valve are big meanies and can't take a joke?"... the guy got what he deserved and public figures get publicity it comes with the gig.

You clearly aren't. You judge situations without even fully knowing details and facts, good job. James has pretty much said that he was more than fine if Valve told him he was not the type of host they wanted and terminated him. It is just the way in which they did it and handled things.

Also, why should he not release a statement? He has a lot of followers and a big fan base despite what you may think. He wanted to provide a explanation of his termination to his followers and that he wouldn't be hosting the rest of the Shanghai major.

edit: he even does acknowledge and admit some of the mistakes he made and may have gone a little overboard
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You clearly aren't. You judge situations without even fully knowing details and facts, good job. James has pretty much said that he was more than fine if Valve told him he was not the type of host they wanted and terminated him. It is just the way in which they did it and handled things.

Also, why should he not release a statement? He has a lot of followers and a big fan base despite what you may think. He wanted to provide a explanation of his termination to his followers and that he wouldn't be hosting the rest of the Shanghai major.

edit: he even does acknowledge and admit some of the mistakes he made and may have gone a little overboard
His followers and fan base expect a crass and edgy cast, no doubt, but the schtick wore thin and rubbed the wrong guy the wrong way, ergo he got shown the door.
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His followers and fan base expect a crass and edgy cast, no doubt, but the schtick wore thin and rubbed the wrong guy the wrong way, ergo he got shown the door.

I also think it is funny because Thorin, to me, is so much more worse than James.

It was basically only the first 10 minutes where it was awkward with the whole porn thing but other than that he honestly did a good job. He actually made the beyond terrible production and the ridiculous 3 hour delays in the tournament bearable. I don't see any of the other casters really doing that as well as he did. I'm not trying to provide any reasoning or justifications of his performance in the introductions. I just wanted to add that since some people are making him out to be such a bad person/caster/host.
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