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If I got it correctly, when you turn off vsync it should still go as far as the hardware allows? No?

If not this is quite messed up. blinksmiley.gif
Edited by MadRabbit - 2/29/16 at 11:52pm
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If I got it correctly, when you turn off vsync it should still go as far as the hardware allows? No?

If not this is quite messed up. blinksmiley.gif

 

Nope. It'll go as high as the hardware allows in-engine, which is why AotS can report higher-than-60-fps rates, but the compositor driven by DX12 forces V-Sync in a borderless window mode, and the high-FPS frames are dropped from the pipeline and you get the expected judder, etc. 

 

I learned today that some DX12 games could work around this by specifying which mode they should be run in, but it's apparently tricky to do. 

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Nope. It'll go as high as the hardware allows in-engine, which is why AotS can report higher-than-60-fps rates, but the compositor driven by DX12 forces V-Sync in a borderless window mode, and the high-FPS frames are dropped from the pipeline and you get the expected judder, etc. 

I learned today that some DX12 games could work around this by specifying which mode they should be run in, but it's apparently tricky to do. 

Waaaait, so this will be the same even for Steam games using DX12? What the...
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Not surprising at all really, the pessimist inside me was pretty much just waiting for something like this to surface. I figured DX12 would be a dud a while ago because, well, it's Microsoft.

Just means my exit from PC gaming will potentially be sooner than expected. Now it all depends on Vulkan/SteamOS and developers choosing to use one or both of them instead (unlikely) otherwise it's time to focus on other hobbies. No big loss, most games these days aren't worth the time anyway. redface.gif
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That is quite serious article to read. I am not liking at all the implications of this stuff. I really really hope in the light of this information that Vulkan succeeds and that Microsoft Store keeps failing as it has done so far. Hell, if that is a thing I would take even UPlay over the MS Store for games.
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Waaaait, so this will be the same even for Steam games using DX12? What the...

After carefully reading the linked article as far as I understand it is a DX 12 specific "feature" for which nVidia and Intel drivers have currently some kind of workaround hacked in (and AMD does not because it implemented it implemented DX12 exactly as suggested by MS in its drivers) bcos some kind of arcane switch was somehow left in for legacy reasons which can be used for this purpose (if the stars are aligned right). However, the tester reported that this was sort of hit and miss which sometimes worked and sometimes did not in the same game over different launches.

Far far greater issue is disabling g-sync and freesync and inability to run stuff at higher refresh rate than 60 Hz if following the MS enforced DX12 implementation path. And it's particularly underhanded and coy way of doing it with the game telling you with straight face that it's running at, say, 144 Hz while in reality number of frames are just dropped from buffer because 60 Hz is the lowest common denominator and be damned anyone who tries to make XBOne look bad!
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Oh so all the GFWL fiasco wasn't enough for MS to screw over PC gamers again?
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Oh so all the GFWL fiasco wasn't enough for MS to screw over PC gamers again?

To be honest we do not know for sure. No one seems to be willing to talk under their own name on this issue and many do not seem to even know for sure. Might be some kind of unintentional sideeffect of how things were done or it might be genuine attempt from the MS side to enforce some kind of parity between MS Store (which is very cross platform thing) and PC gaming by chipping away at aspects that the other platforms can not (or do not want) do.

Regardless of "why" it is clear from the article that the current implementation of DX12 has some serious issues.
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So what this article says is DX12 doesn't support triple buffering? This awesome feature so was overlooked and underused in recent years, we don't even have updated D3Doverrider, and now DX12 doesn't have triple buffering at all?! Looks like we are going backwards in 3D graphics technology, not forwards.

Maybe it's just all graphics programmers nowadays are totally clueless millennials idiots whos only gaming experience was angry birds on their iphone, and they have no idea what hardcore gamers needs are from graphics API. Sadly all people who pioneered graphics related programming are now retiring. frown.gif
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Maybe it's just all graphics programmers nowadays are totally clueless millennials idiots whos only gaming experience was angry birds on their iphone, and they have no idea what hardcore gamers needs are from graphics API. Sadly all people who pioneered graphics related programming are now retiring. frown.gif
Found the old person.
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