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Did not look like this was posted, or it's buried deeper then I looked.
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KEY CONCLUSIONS
Ignore Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate (UBER) specs. A meaningless number.
Good news: Raw Bit Error Rate (RBER) increases slower than expected from wearout and is not correlated with UBER or other failures.
High-end SLC drives are no more reliable that MLC drives.
Bad news: SSDs fail at a lower rate than disks, but UBER rate is higher (see below for what this means).
SSD age, not usage, affects reliability.
Bad blocks in new SSDs are common, and drives with a large number of bad blocks are much more likely to lose hundreds of other blocks, most likely due to die or chip failure.
30-80 percent of SSDs develop at least one bad block and 2-7 percent develop at least one bad chip in the first four years of deployment.

Interesting read.

SOURCE

http://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/

The full 369 page PDF report.

https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/fast16_full_proceedings.pdf
 
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Crap, just found another post about this. Just listed differently. My bad.
 
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So simply what does this mean for people who are heavily invested into SSD's like me with an expensive 1TB 850Pro or my friend with a RAID array of 4 500GB 850EVO's?

Can you give us some sort of summary? What sort of long term reliability figures can we be expecting from high end drives like Pro's and mid range drives like EVO's?
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So simply what does this mean for people who are heavily invested into SSD's like me with an expensive 1TB 850Pro or my friend with a RAID array of 4 500GB 850EVO's?

Can you give us some sort of summary? What sort of long term reliability figures can we be expecting from high end drives like Pro's and mid range drives like EVO's?

In a nut shell, SLC and MLC flash last about the same. But age degrades the drive more than actual usage.

Your buddy running four SSD's in RAID 0 is playing with fire anyway. No a good choice for data integrity. Besides, if you bench RAID 0 SSDs, the numbers that really matter like 4K random read and write speeds do not really change. Only sequential read an writes. And that only matters if you deal with a lot of really large files. Like video editing. But, you do not have TRIM support with RAID 0 SSD's usually so that degrades drive performance over time. If he is worried about the data, he better be backing up often. I would not rely on that setup working as long as single drive would. Should be backing up regardless.
 
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So simply what does this mean for people who are heavily invested into SSD's like me with an expensive 1TB 850Pro or my friend with a RAID array of 4 500GB 850EVO's?

Can you give us some sort of summary? What sort of long term reliability figures can we be expecting from high end drives like Pro's and mid range drives like EVO's?

In a nut shell, SLC and MLC flash last about the same. But age degrades the drive more than actual usage.

Your buddy running four SSD's in RAID 0 is playing with fire anyway. No a good choice for data integrity. Besides, if you bench RAID 0 SSDs, the numbers that really matter like 4K random read and write speeds do not really change. Only sequential read an writes. And that only matters if you deal with a lot of really large files. Like video editing. But, you do not have TRIM support with RAID 0 SSD's usually so that degrades drive performance over time. If he is worried about the data, he better be backing up often. I would not rely on that setup working as long as single drive would. Should be backing up regardless.
As far as I am aware he has a QNAP NAS that he backs up to. So I guess he is ok in that regard. I am also not ok with RAID, but its his choice and I suggested breaking the RAID array but he didn't want to do that. So his choice. I am more worried about my own self personally.
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In a nut shell, SLC and MLC flash last about the same. But age degrades the drive more than actual usage.

Your buddy running four SSD's in RAID 0 is playing with fire anyway. No a good choice for data integrity. Besides, if you bench RAID 0 SSDs, the numbers that really matter like 4K random read and write speeds do not really change. Only sequential read an writes. And that only matters if you deal with a lot of really large files. Like video editing. But, you do not have TRIM support with RAID 0 SSD's usually so that degrades drive performance over time. If he is worried about the data, he better be backing up often. I would not rely on that setup working as long as single drive would. Should be backing up regardless.

I thought TRIM support was enabled for raid 0 SSD's now. With newer Intel chipsets anyways. I know my Sandy Bridge setup doesn't support it, but I thought Ivy Bridge or Broadwell did.
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Its not really surprising, as bulk of failures are due to controllers dying or going into panic mode. Flash itself rarely dies and even if it does, some controllers have die level parity, so if one die fails, it can still do raid5 like recovery and use the rest of working ones. thumb.gif
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So simply what does this mean for people who are heavily invested into SSD's like me with an expensive 1TB 850Pro or my friend with a RAID array of 4 500GB 850EVO's?

Can you give us some sort of summary? What sort of long term reliability figures can we be expecting from high end drives like Pro's and mid range drives like EVO's?

It means that for longevity you need either tape (which even Google use) or mechanical drives. While mechanical drives do fail they are not as badly affected as SSD's. We have HD's that have worked for 20 years but SSD's will not last that long. My oldest drive is now 7 years old and whether an SSD will last that long is a good question.

 

Thus, to protect yourself you should back up all important data to a mechanical drive and not leave critical data on an SSD.

 

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Its not really surprising, as bulk of failures are due to controllers dying or going into panic mode. Flash itself rarely dies and even if it does, some controllers have die level parity, so if one die fails, it can still do raid5 like recovery and use the rest of working ones. thumb.gif

Flash loses current. Thus the data on the drive does degrade due to errors and the data does show that cells do degrade and die.

 

This discussion should be continued in the older thread.


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