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Do you think so. When 7970 and GCN was introduced, AMD came out with a new architecture called GCN with features like async shader, graphics command processor. How instructions could be executed in parallel, greatly enhancing performance.

Sadly, even when 7970 became obsolete, no games ever take advantage of its feature.... It died without realising its potential.

Do you think AMD made a wrong move to release GCN architecture back in 2011 (since DX and OpenGL do not take advantage of it). Could it have been better if AMD went the traditional route with VLIW and compete with Nvidia?

From what I know, cards like 5870, 6970, X800XT, X1900XT etc... are all performing very well against equivalent cards.
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I don't think it is an obsolete card at all, still plays everything I want to play at 1080p great.

And when I want to do more productivity related tasks (uni work not rendering) it can output to 4k UHD just fine.
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Originally Posted by KaffieneKing View Post

I don't think it is an obsolete card at all, still plays everything I want to play at 1080p great.

And when I want to do more productivity related tasks (uni work not rendering) it can output to 4k UHD just fine.

Its obsolete not because of its performance but rather 290x and FuryX came out so its like 3 generations behind.
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I see where you're coming from, but AMD still makes drivers for it, and its still plenty powerful enough for most situations, so I really fail to see how it is obsolete?

EDIT: I see what you mean with the asynchronous compute, but the fact is it was and still is a very good GPU, compared to its competitors (680/770/960, even 970 for 1080p and price is taken into account)
Edited by KaffieneKing - 3/1/16 at 2:08am
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Whoa obsolete? It's far from obsolete! The 7970 was refreshed as the R9 280X, and the 7950 was refreshed as the R9 280, they were phased out and discontinued but were then replaced by the Tonga GPUs which share a similar configuration on a newer version of GCN. The R9 285, and then the R9 380 and R9 380X.

The 7970 is far from obsolete and it's legacy lives on in the latest versions of it, the R9 280 and 280X were refreshes of the 7970 and the 7950 and were a little faster than the original GPUs if I recall correctly, but they were pretty much the same GPUs.

The Tonga GPUs are new and re-engineered versions of the 7970 and the 7950, based on the 3rd generation of GCN, they're more powerful than the first generation models however the first gen models are really close in performance to the 3rd generation. However when more DX12 games arrive it's quite possible they will distance themselves a bit more when their Asynchronous Compute abilities are utilized properly.


3rd generation of GCN features 8 Asynchronous Compute Engines compared to the 2 Asynchronous Compute Engines in the 1st generation of GCN. The R9 290, 290X, and the PlayStation 4's GPU share the same number of ACEs. It also has a number of other improvements over the first gen.

GCN is an amazing architecture, one of the greatest of all time when you look at it's longevity, the 7970 and 7950 are nothing short of legendary!

The R9 290 and 290X were refreshed as the R9 390 and 390X, these GPUs are giving the GTX 970 and GTX 980 a hard time.
Those two GPUs competed against the GTX 780 and the GTX 780 Ti and are now competing against their successors which are based on a new architecture, a remarkable accomplishment.


Whatever wizardry AMD has done with GCN and their drivers, it's astounding! GCN has been constantly getting faster since it's release, even with the same GPUs.

Perhaps GPUs just aren't progressing as fast as they used to, providing the illusion of longevity for older models. The mid-range models also seem to have not gotten much faster than the previous models.

The 280X is able to contend the GTX 960, even the R9 280 was, and these are GPUs which are, as of today refreshes of 4+ year old GPUs.

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ALSO considering how long the 7970 was at the top, ie the best gpu made by amd vs nvidia, I mean it later and trumped 6xx 7xx and iirc 9xx... that was was amazing
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AMD have always pioneered new tech that doesn't get utilized until the competition rolls in and steals all the credit. Multi-core CPUs, 64-bit CPUs, Tessellation, GCN, Mantle, the list goes on.
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I think it's great that AMD has always been so forward thinking with their hardware design. Even CPU-wise, I believe that 10 years from now if you compare the games in 2026 running on older hardware that the FX-8350 would easily best comparable Intel's i5's.

Unfortunately this may actually be a flaw in AMD's strategy, that they are too forward thinking and tend to ignore the current situation. AMD CPU's pushed more cores in an era when IPC was still king. AMD's GPU's have a performance weak spot for 1080p and currently the most popular resolution for PC gamers is still 1080p (based on Jan 2016 Steam Hardware/Software survey).
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I think it's great that AMD has always been so forward thinking with their hardware design. Even CPU-wise, I believe that 10 years from now if you compare the games in 2126 running on older hardware that the FX-8350 would easily best comparable Intel's i5's.

Unfortunately this may actually be a flaw in AMD's strategy, that they are too forward thinking and tend to ignore the current situation. AMD CPU's pushed more cores in an era when IPC was still king. AMD's GPU's have a performance weak spot for 1080p and currently the most popular resolution for PC gamers is still 1080p (based on Jan 2016 Steam Hardware/Software survey).

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that would be something.
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Oops, meant 2026. smile.gif
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