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I still own a R9 280X Toxic, and the only game that this card struggles with is Tomb Raider, but it can run satisfactorily with high textures and some stuff on very high.

And no, GTX960 is no match against a R9 280X, period.

Fire strike scores from my own card: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7183028
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I still own a R9 280X Toxic, and the only game that this card struggles with is Tomb Raider, but it can run satisfactorily with high textures and some stuff on very high.

And no, GTX960 is no match against a R9 280X, period.

Fire strike scores from my own card: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7183028

Have you OCed it? How far does it OC? I have 280X Dual-X @1200Mhz and it's a killer card!
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Maximum GPU 1200Mhz... Never tried to push it further, did not increase scores in Fire Strike.

Memory won't go far... Tried 7000Mhz and it artifacts.

I chose to not keep OC'ing but keep the factory one (which is the highest among all 280X) because the card gets hot. It run boosted all the times and it heats way more than my Tri-X Fury.
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I still own a R9 280X Toxic, and the only game that this card struggles with is Tomb Raider, but it can run satisfactorily with high textures and some stuff on very high.

And no, GTX960 is no match against a R9 280X, period.

Fire strike scores from my own card: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7183028

I loved my 7970ghz before it died of stripes like so many before it. But.. You can't max out Tomb Raider? Are you talking the first reboot or the new one? I had no problem maxing out the first of the reboot series with my 7970ghz. Even with tressfx enabled I was getting 45-50fps. With that turned off it was rare to drop below 60.

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AMD have always pioneered new tech that doesn't get utilized until the competition rolls in and steals all the credit. Multi-core CPUs, 64-bit CPUs, Tessellation, GCN, Mantle, the list goes on.

Actually.. IBM had the first multi-core processor. Link.
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I mean Rise of The Tomb Raider...

The 2013 game is maxed out but never played from start to finish. I played this game when I still had a HD6950 2GB.
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7970 is AMD's best GPU IMO. I remember my Powercolor 7970 ran 1200/1600 out of the box with no additional voltage and barely more heat/noise. For ~1080p it's probably still decent if details/AA is lowered.

I would choose 7970 over 960 any day of the week.

But I remember the issues in the beginning. 7970 came out in january 2012, and first in october the drivers were really good. The first 2-3 months were hell, then 680/670 got released and destroyed it.

A combination of higher clocks and driver optimization was the solution (7970 GHz Edition and 7950 Boost).
These days 7970/7950 generally beat 680/670.
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Whoa obsolete? It's far from obsolete! The 7970 was refreshed as the R9 280X, and the 7950 was refreshed as the R9 280, they were phased out and discontinued but were then replaced by the Tonga GPUs which share a similar configuration on a newer version of GCN. The R9 285, and then the R9 380 and R9 380X.

The 7970 is far from obsolete and it's legacy lives on in the latest versions of it, the R9 280 and 280X were refreshes of the 7970 and the 7950 and were a little faster than the original GPUs if I recall correctly, but they were pretty much the same GPUs.

The Tonga GPUs are new and re-engineered versions of the 7970 and the 7950, based on the 3rd generation of GCN, they're more powerful than the first generation models however the first gen models are really close in performance to the 3rd generation. However when more DX12 games arrive it's quite possible they will distance themselves a bit more when their Asynchronous Compute abilities are utilized properly.


3rd generation of GCN features 8 Asynchronous Compute Engines compared to the 2 Asynchronous Compute Engines in the 1st generation of GCN. The R9 290, 290X, and the PlayStation 4's GPU share the same number of ACEs. It also has a number of other improvements over the first gen.

GCN is an amazing architecture, one of the greatest of all time when you look at it's longevity, the 7970 and 7950 are nothing short of legendary!

The R9 290 and 290X were refreshed as the R9 390 and 390X, these GPUs are giving the GTX 970 and GTX 980 a hard time.
Those two GPUs competed against the GTX 780 and the GTX 780 Ti and are now competing against their successors which are based on a new architecture, a remarkable accomplishment.


Whatever wizardry AMD has done with GCN and their drivers, it's astounding! GCN has been constantly getting faster since it's release, even with the same GPUs.

Perhaps GPUs just aren't progressing as fast as they used to, providing the illusion of longevity for older models. The mid-range models also seem to have not gotten much faster than the previous models.

The 280X is able to contend the GTX 960, even the R9 280 was, and these are GPUs which are, as of today refreshes of 4+ year old GPUs.

7970GHZ is indeed obsolete. UNLESS you game at low resolution. You can say hello to mine which is sitting in a box collecting dust because it can't maintain 60FPS. Let alone 40-50 FPS in the most recent games.



As for a card like a 960 its a low budget card you buy them in pairs. Just like the R9 380. You don't get one by itself.

For Single GPU gaming:
You get a 970/R9 390 for gaming @ 1080P

You get a 980/R9 390x for 1440P gaming with modest settings

You get a 980ti/Fury X for 1440p gaming and all the bells and whistles
Edited by BeerPowered - 3/2/16 at 4:47am
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7970GHZ is indeed obsolete. UNLESS you game at low resolution. You can say hello to mine which is sitting in a box collecting dust because it can't maintain 60FPS. Let alone 40-50 FPS in the most recent games.



As for a card like a 960 its a low budget card you buy them in pairs. Just like the R9 380. You don't get one by itself.

For Single GPU gaming:
You get a 970/R9 390 for gaming @ 1080P

You get a 980/R9 390x for 1440P gaming with modest settings

You get a 980ti/Fury X for 1440p gaming and all the bells and whistles

A 7970 will get the job done at 1080p, but not at max settings at 60 fps if that's what you mean. So as you said, a GTX 970/R9 390 for gaming at 1080p.
Those GPUs paired with a decent CPU will be able to do max settings at 60 fps in the majority of games, or at-least very close to max settings whilst hitting a frame-rate target of 60 fps.


You say the 7970 is obsolete, but it's still a faster card than the GTX 960. Also, when the GTX 960 was first released by NVIDIA they gave it a ludicrously low amount of VRAM for the price point it was aimed at.

A pair of GTX 960s are still inferior to the GTX 970, and they'll probably cost you the same amount of money. So I wouldn't recommend buying them in pairs.
Buying them separately when one can afford them makes a little more sense,

Releasing a 2GB GPU in 2015 at a £150+ price point didn't make any sense whatsoever, especially when a GPU with that kind of power can certainly make use of more VRAM, it is immensely detrimental to the GPU in a time where VRAM requirements were steadily increasing.

Games will still run on fine the card, but in the more demanding titles you probably wont be able to run them with higher texture quality settings.
Texture Quality doesn't affect the performance in any-way providing it can fit within the frame-buffer's capacity.

This leaves the user to play the game with texture quality settings that can look worse than the console versions in some games on a £150+ GPU.

AMD were also guilty of doing the same thing with the R9 285 and the R9 380, whilst also phasing out the R9 280 with 3GB of VRAM at the same price point.
The R9 280 would have no trouble running these games at higher texture quality settings than the 2GB GPUs, however they discontinued it for the Tonga GPUs with less VRAM.

The abomination of a port that is Batman Arkham Knight has serious performance issues on 2GB GPUs, however the developers are to blame for that one.

There are now 4GB versions of the Tonga GPUs and the GTX 960, however the fact that the 2GB GPUs exist at all means that some people running those cards are going to have performance issues in games which are particularly heavy on the VRAM compared to the R9 280, as-well as 4GB versions of the Tonga GPUs and the 960.
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My 1300/1850 7970 24/7 oc is as fast as a stock 290. For a card over 3 years old i am happy <3
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As far as the 280X vs the 380/380X...

The 380X is actually significantly more powerful than a 7970 or 280X.

3dmark11
7970: 11884
380X: 15570
290: 17186


Fire Strike
7970: 7940
380X: 9465
290: 12010


Those are my best scores among the 7970, 380X and 290 using the same CPU and overclock.

Generally, the cards were running at 1200mhz.

The 380X overclocked is actually in stock reference 290 levels of performance.

The 280X is identical to the 7970, but the 380X is actually newer and faster. I attribute the increased performance to the 380X being GCN 1.3, and the driver improvements they added in the Omega and now the Crimson drivers.

I don't have my 7970 anymore so I can't throw it in to see if it's really the drivers or not.

But anyway, TL;DR the 380X comes highly recommended. It is much faster than the 280X in my testing.

I'm using it as a placeholder card for Polaris/Pascal. It still runs a lot of older games (that I haven't finished) in my Eyefinity at high fps.

Tonga is basically the same configuration as a 7970, but with newer tech (GCN 1.3/Gen 3) and slightly more powerful shaders. I think that's why my 380X is outperforming the 7970 I had by so much.
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