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So, one of my 2 WD 2TB blacks (in the x79) died (including its data).

So, now i am considering to make both a NAS system and a backup system.

What are my options?
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NAS enables faster data access and provides easier administration as well as a more basic and straightforward configuration compared with file servers. By this token, NAS seems good. It stores the backup in a relatively secure, off-site location, which can prevent the data from losing and being damaged if a hard drive were to fail so that you don’t have to reinstall the system again. Besides, to back up to NAS may save much local storage space.ph34r-smiley.gif
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You can safely backup to a NAS as long as you disconnect it from the computer and keep it disconnected from the mains except when updating the backup. If the NAS stays connected to the computer at all times (such as for automatic backups), it will not be a good backup (click on the first link in my sig to see why). The only problem with using a NAS for a backup is you would need another one for your offsite backup and lugging it around and storing it offsite would be problematic. That could be overcome by using a good, paid, cloud backup, such as Carbonite, Crashplan, or Backblaze for your offsite backup (stay away from cloud storage; they are rarely secure and the free ones are notorious for disappearing with little or no warning.

Frankly, if all you need in your computer is a couple of 2TB drives, you would be better off replacing the one that died with one the same size (or a 4TB to replace both drives, worth considering if the other 2TB you have has a lot of miles on it; I recommend the WD Blacks although the HGSTs are also good). Then get a couple same size 5400 rpm WD Blues for each drive you have in your computer to use for backups; one for onsite and one for offsite. The offsite backup can be stored at a trusted relative's, friend's, or neighbor's home, in a locked drawer or locker at work, or in a bank safe deposit box. As mentioned before, you could use a cloud backup service instead for the offsite backup.
     
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You can safely backup to a NAS as long as you disconnect it from the computer and keep it disconnected from the mains except when updating the backup. If the NAS stays connected to the computer at all times (such as for automatic backups), it will not be a good backup (click on the first link in my sig to see why). The only problem with using a NAS for a backup is you would need another one for your offsite backup and lugging it around and storing it offsite would be problematic. That could be overcome by using a good, paid, cloud backup, such as Carbonite, Crashplan, or Backblaze for your offsite backup (stay away from cloud storage; they are rarely secure and the free ones are notorious for disappearing with little or no warning.

Frankly, if all you need in your computer is a couple of 2TB drives, you would be better off replacing the one that died with one the same size (or a 4TB to replace both drives, worth considering if the other 2TB you have has a lot of miles on it; I recommend the WD Blacks although the HGSTs are also good). Then get a couple same size 5400 rpm WD Blues for each drive you have in your computer to use for backups; one for onsite and one for offsite. The offsite backup can be stored at a trusted relative's, friend's, or neighbor's home, in a locked drawer or locker at work, or in a bank safe deposit box. As mentioned before, you could use a cloud backup service instead for the offsite backup.

I was actually thinking about making the NAS both for storage and backup. is this a good practice?
I am thinking to have all of my stored data on a NAS and only use DAS (Will mostly be ssds and hopefully ssds only in the future) for frequently used applications, workspaces and games.
Also, as much as i would like to consider using cloud backup for offsite backup, my Internet's bandwidth will simply not be able to handle that. Ill probably have some manual important-only offsite backup.

But all of this raises a number of questions. for example.
What are the known reliable solutions when it comes hard disk drives?
Should i encrypt off-site backups? If so, How should this process go?
What is a good and seemless backup solutions (Hardware or software or both) that are also reliable?

Anyways, In the meanwhile Ill be reading some of the stickies (The ones about NAS and backup).
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Hi @FreeElectron!

I'm sorry to hear about your drive, mate... I know how unpleasant it can be. frown.gif

If the data on it is important you can contact a data recovery company and see if they can help you retrieve your information.Here's a link with the WD recovery partners you can take a look at if you want:

http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=8BPpwu

Also, if the HDD is still under warranty you can contact our support and see if an RMA could be arranged:

http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=YqezVz

As for the NAS question, you can use it for backup, and for mass storage at the same time.

You can choose between two options in this case - to build your own NAS, or to get one from a manufacturer. Building a NAS on your own can be a bit cheaper in some cases but you don't get support for it and it could be harder to set up and manage later on. Self-built NASs have the advantage of upgrade-ability, though.

For a regular NAS, I have and could recommend you WD My Cloud Mirror as it is very easy to set up and manage and should do the job perfectly fine.

http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=3czjyL

Also another thing that I saw people doing is using WD My Book with a router or anything else that can connect it to the network, you would essentially get a NAS and should work just fine. There are differences between the different products such as hardware encryption on the My Book and some features on the My Cloud Mirror that your router might support, but essentially you should get the same end result - file sharing across the network. I'd pick the option that makes more sense in terms of performance and budget (just keep in mind performance of the My Book would depends on the router's abilities). Here's a link to the external if you decide to take a look:

http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=q7XlkS

Hope this helps and feel free to ask any questions you may have. Also, let me know if you need any additional help about the WD Black.
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You can safely backup to a NAS as long as you disconnect it from the computer and keep it disconnected from the mains except when updating the backup. If the NAS stays connected to the computer at all times (such as for automatic backups), it will not be a good backup (click on the first link in my sig to see why). The only problem with using a NAS for a backup is you would need another one for your offsite backup and lugging it around and storing it offsite would be problematic. That could be overcome by using a good, paid, cloud backup, such as Carbonite, Crashplan, or Backblaze for your offsite backup (stay away from cloud storage; they are rarely secure and the free ones are notorious for disappearing with little or no warning.

Frankly, if all you need in your computer is a couple of 2TB drives, you would be better off replacing the one that died with one the same size (or a 4TB to replace both drives, worth considering if the other 2TB you have has a lot of miles on it; I recommend the WD Blacks although the HGSTs are also good). Then get a couple same size 5400 rpm WD Blues for each drive you have in your computer to use for backups; one for onsite and one for offsite. The offsite backup can be stored at a trusted relative's, friend's, or neighbor's home, in a locked drawer or locker at work, or in a bank safe deposit box. As mentioned before, you could use a cloud backup service instead for the offsite backup.

I was actually thinking about making the NAS both for storage and backup. is this a good practice?
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Also, as much as i would like to consider using cloud backup for offsite backup, my Internet's bandwidth will simply not be able to handle that. Ill probably have some manual important-only offsite backup.

But all of this raises a number of questions. for example.
What are the known reliable solutions when it comes hard disk drives?
Should i encrypt off-site backups? If so, How should this process go?
What is a good and seemless backup solutions (Hardware or software or both) that are also reliable?

Anyways, In the meanwhile Ill be reading some of the stickies (The ones about NAS and backup).

Combining storage and backups is a very bad idea. Your backups need to be kept separate from your storage to be safe. Otherwise, whatever may take out your storage can take out your backup.

Drive failure isn't the only reason for data loss. Viruses and other malware, PSU failure, power line spikes and surges, weather, fire, theft, human error, etc. are other way your data can be compromised or lost. If you have your backup in the same machine as your storage and good ol' light finger Louie drops by and applies a five finger discount to your machine, all your data will go with him. If your backup is connected to your storage all the time or is in the same machine and a crypto virus slips into your machine, your backup will get locked along with your stored data; a lot of good your backup will do you then. To be fully effective, your backups MUST be kept disconnected from your computer and kept out of sight of the computer except when updating the backup. Since even backup drives can fail and an onsite backup can be damaged or destroyed along with your computer in a fire or due to bad weather, having a second backup that is kept offsite is also essential.

Frankly, based on what you have told us, using a NAS for storage or a backup is unnecessary overkill so I strongly recommend you forget using a NAS. It will cost more and will take up more room. You already have room for at least two drives in your computer already. Just get another WD Black to replace the one that died. If you need more than 4TB storage capacity, either get a third drive or replace the dead one with a larger drive (just avoid the 3TB drives; for some inexplicable reason, they get poorer reviews, no matter what the brand may be). Since a cloud backup is not an option, for each drive you have in service you need to have two backup drives, one kept onsite, preferably in another room than the one the computer is in (no point in making it too easy for our friend Louie), and one kept offsite as I already mentioned. Both the onsite and offsite backups will need to be updated frequently but must never be connected to the computer except when updating the backup. You can either use external drives for your backups or use internal type drives in a dock (the latter is more cost effective).

I have only four drives in my computer: a 128GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD for my OS and programs, and two 2TB WD Blacks and one 4TB WD Black for data. I image my SSD periodically and before making any changes to it, such as installing a program or updates. I do save my images to one of my internal HDDs for convenience but that drive gets backed up externally so the images also get backed up externally. I use a file syncing program to backup my data drives (far more efficient than imaging for data).

Each HDD in my computer gets backed up to a set of four internal type HDDs (a total of 12) that I plug into a built-in dock in my computer when updating the backup. Two of the HDDs in each set are kept at home in a drawer and the other two are kept in my safe deposit box at my credit union. I swap out the offsite HDDs with the onsite ones at least once a month; more often if I've added a lot of data. Since the offsite backup will not have any data added or changed since the HDDs were put in the safe deposit box, I also have a basic Carbonite account to fill that gap. If I were to lose both my data and onsite backups, I could recover all my data from Carbonite but it would take several weeks to several months (not to mention annoy the snot out of my ISP) but I can recover most of my data in just a day or two from my offsite HDDs and getting the rest from Carbonite in only a day or two.

I will admit my backup scheme is very redundant and most people will do just fine with one onsite and one offsite backup of each of their drives. However, I have data that is not only expensive to replace but, in many cases, is irreplaceable, so, for me, the extra measures are worthwhile.
     
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...As for the NAS question, you can use it for backup, and for mass storage at the same time...

We normally agree on everything but, in this case, we do not. I just got through posting a reply to the OP explaining why it is a bad idea.
     
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Combining storage and backups is a very bad idea. Your backups need to be kept separate from your storage to be safe. Otherwise, whatever may take out your storage can take out your backup.

Drive failure isn't the only reason for data loss. Viruses and other malware, PSU failure, power line spikes and surges, weather, fire, theft, human error, etc. are other way your data can be compromised or lost. If you have your backup in the same machine as your storage and good ol' light finger Louie drops by and applies a five finger discount to your machine, all your data will go with him. If your backup is connected to your storage all the time or is in the same machine and a crypto virus slips into your machine, your backup will get locked along with your stored data; a lot of good your backup will do you then. To be fully effective, your backups MUST be kept disconnected from your computer and kept out of sight of the computer except when updating the backup. Since even backup drives can fail and an onsite backup can be damaged or destroyed along with your computer in a fire or due to bad weather, having a second backup that is kept offsite is also essential.

Frankly, based on what you have told us, using a NAS for storage or a backup is unnecessary overkill so I strongly recommend you forget using a NAS. It will cost more and will take up more room. You already have room for at least two drives in your computer already. Just get another WD Black to replace the one that died. If you need more than 4TB storage capacity, either get a third drive or replace the dead one with a larger drive (just avoid the 3TB drives; for some inexplicable reason, they get poorer reviews, no matter what the brand may be). Since a cloud backup is not an option, for each drive you have in service you need to have two backup drives, one kept onsite, preferably in another room than the one the computer is in (no point in making it too easy for our friend Louie), and one kept offsite as I already mentioned. Both the onsite and offsite backups will need to be updated frequently but must never be connected to the computer except when updating the backup. You can either use external drives for your backups or use internal type drives in a dock (the latter is more cost effective).

I have only four drives in my computer: a 128GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD for my OS and programs, and two 2TB WD Blacks and one 4TB WD Black for data. I image my SSD periodically and before making any changes to it, such as installing a program or updates. I do save my images to one of my internal HDDs for convenience but that drive gets backed up externally so the images also get backed up externally. I use a file syncing program to backup my data drives (far more efficient than imaging for data).

Each HDD in my computer gets backed up to a set of four internal type HDDs (a total of 12) that I plug into a built-in dock in my computer when updating the backup. Two of the HDDs in each set are kept at home in a drawer and the other two are kept in my safe deposit box at my credit union. I swap out the offsite HDDs with the onsite ones at least once a month; more often if I've added a lot of data. Since the offsite backup will not have any data added or changed since the HDDs were put in the safe deposit box, I also have a basic Carbonite account to fill that gap. If I were to lose both my data and onsite backups, I could recover all my data from Carbonite but it would take several weeks to several months (not to mention annoy the snot out of my ISP) but I can recover most of my data in just a day or two from my offsite HDDs and getting the rest from Carbonite in only a day or two.

I will admit my backup scheme is very redundant and most people will do just fine with one onsite and one offsite backup of each of their drives. However, I have data that is not only expensive to replace but, in many cases, is irreplaceable, so, for me, the extra measures are worthwhile.

Ok, thanks.
I am thinking of getting 2x 6TB (8TB are not yet tested well enough afaik).
One to replace the dead drive and the other should be used to backup all of the important data (And probably have an offsite copy also in the future).
Which drives do you recommend? (Good long warranty that can work internationally as well as being reliable)
What about the drives that are advertised as NAS drives, should i consider them incase i upgrade in the future?

side note: I wish that the information about your backup locations are incorrect and are there for example purposes only smile.gif
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