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From Trinity to Godavari (my personal upgrade from a X4 740 to an A10-7860k)

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Hi Guys,

So first, what is that topic for?
I happened to be one of these guys often reading topics here and there, and wanted to share some bench for anyone who could be interested in this.

What will you get here?
Benchmarks and maybe reasons or ideas about upgrading from Trinity to Godavari. Is it worth it? That's at least what I want to discover.

Why this Godavari part?
Well it seems to me to be the interesting one: it keeps frequency at the same level than the Kaveri 7850k, while lowering voltage from 95W to 65W. Pretty good evolution in my opinion.
I happen to have an ITX Rig, with a Raijintek Pallas. While it's in my opinion a good part, it's still worse than a good tower fan, meaning the lesser power consumption I have, the more headroom for overclocking i'll have.
I also don't have a lot of powersupply headroom too, so being at 65W instead of 95W is still better in my case. It keeps me some W which I can then spend on a discrete graphic card in my rig.

What tools did I use to bench?
I'm no expert here clearly. So I'll do with what I find, and you may suggest your own ideas here, I might try something if I've got time for it. For now, here is what I used:
- Super PI 32M (10 iterations, because I was not patient enough biggrin.gif)
- Passmark
- Cinebench R15 (I did read something on a topic, saying it wasn't a good version for AMD.. oh well, don't have any other version anyway)
- PCMark 8 (did only the trinity for the moment.. Godavari incoming)

What matters (results!)
Numbers:


Passmark comparison:


Cinebench & Super PI



Complete Screenshots for stock A10-7860K@2400Mhz (Click to show)



A few facts:
  • On Passmark website, 7860K@65W (5699) scores more than 7850K@95W (5572).
  • I do not seem to be stable with ram at 2400Mhz. I'm currently staying at 2133Mhz.
  • 7860K is no hotty with my Raijintek Pallas. VRMs seem to suffer though (60° heatsinked).
  • IPC is 26% better on 7860K at 4.5ghz VS X4 740. So in short, that's about it for raw improvement, without talking about other architecture upgrade between piledriver & steamroller.


My OC Story: (current stable values)
Well keep in mind I won't disclose the methods of testing, as each guy on this board has different standards in terms of stability.

I give my numbers to help anyone who wants some for his own chip.
May it serve as a rough idea of what one can achieve.
  • 4Ghz : 1,25V
  • 4,2Ghz : 1,3125V
  • 4,4Ghz: 1,3875V
  • 4,5Ghz: 1,45V


Special thanks:
@ jsc1973 for sharing his data on 6800K and 860K
@ Feimitsu for helping me bench and overclock my cute little chip :')
@ everyone sharing their knowledge here, that I might have forgotten smile.gif.


To come..
- Overclocking (still working at it)
- relative performance comparison between trinity and godavari
- Other facts
- Opinion & advice




AMD vs INTEL discussions here are a no-no! Thanks in advance guys.
Edited by Cherryblue - 10/2/16 at 12:18pm
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Reserved for... moar bench? Don't know yet what for.
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I would recommend Cinebench R10 if you're going to run any Cinebench:

http://downloads.guru3d.com/CineBench-10-download-1708.html

There's loads of other benches you can try: wprime, y-cruncher, AMD linpack, AIDA64 (various), etc etc
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No link working for CBR10 sadly frown.gif.. But i'll be trying the other benches you're talking about when I have more time. Probably at the beginning of next week.

I'd like information about temp. Can't seem to measure it correctly..

Putting my hand on the CPU Fan, i'd say it's 30°C.. But well can't find any sensor close to that.

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Originally Posted by Cherryblue View Post

No link working for CBR10 sadly frown.gif.. But i'll be trying the other benches you're talking about when I have more time. Probably at the beginning of next week.

I'd like information about temp. Can't seem to measure it correctly..

Putting my hand on the CPU Fan, i'd say it's 30°C.. But well can't find any sensor close to that.


im having the same problem with temps on my wifes 7860k

it must be just a bug for the package temp
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Temperatures should be checked using the motherboard sensors, or AMD Overdrive for the thermal margin (the distance from the throttling temperature). A thermal margin of 20+ is considered ok, 30+ optimal.
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I have Cinebench R10, and I could host it somewhere if that would be legal. Does anyone know one way or the other?

Also, another option to monitor thermal margin is to use the latest CoreTemp, 1.0 RC 8. You can even monitor the margin properly using a switch in the Advanced settings called "Display the distance to TJmax in temperature fields". I had to get a bugfixed version for Kaveri, but that's the version that should be available for download now.
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I have some benchmarks I ran with an A10-6800K and then with the 860K about a year ago. I'll post them here when I get home later on for the sake of comparison. Still at work right now...

Here's what I got using Passmark. All these but one were done with DDR3-1600 memory on an A88X-PRO, the 6800K in November of 2014 and the 860K in January of 2015. In many cases, the stock 860K beat the overclock 6800K running at 4.4 GHz:

Passmark 6800K at 4.4 GHz

CPU Mark 5100
Integer 12945
FP Math 4692
Prime 10.2
SSE 18.9
Compression 7647
Encryption 958
Physics 246.5
Sorting 4499
Single Thread 1630

Passmark 860K at 3.7 GHz

CPU Mark 5993
Integer 11429
FP Math 4466
Prime 13.9
SSE 153.1
Compression 7654
Encryption 924
Physics 266.2
Sorting 4375
Single Thread 1698

Passmark 860K at 4 GHz

CPU Mark 6212
Integer 11845
FP Math 4626
Prime 14.8
SSE 156.5
Compression 7805
Encryption 951
Physics 280.5
Sorting 4516
Single Thread 1716

Passmark 860K at 4.5 GHz-test 7/22/15 with DDR3-2133, test in parenthesis Jan. 2015 with DDR3-1600

CPU Mark 6891 (6865)
Integer 13350 (13333)
FP Math 5215 (5252)
Prime 15.1 (15.0)
SSE 178.2 (176.1)
Compression 8909 (8742)
Encryption 1075 (1068)
Physics 308.3 (309.3)
Sorting 5077 (5082)
Single Thread 1955 (1928)
Edited by jsc1973 - 3/4/16 at 8:51pm
     
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And in Cinebench 11.5, which is deprecated but it makes for a common frame of reference between Thuban, Vishera, Richland, and Kaveri:

     
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could you please check what's the minimum vcore to keep 4GHz stable (Turbo off)?
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