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I take that back, it's still not quiet enough.

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I've decided i'm going to use my ddc in the bottom of the case instead along with a Bitspower 80 res.

Mounting the pump/res in the bottom is what I've decided to do as well, after getting the case you get a much better idea of what's possible and there really isn't anywhere else you can put it due to space constraints smile.gif

I'm using an EK D5 X Top 250 which is pretty much right on the limits of what you can fit in there both height and length wise. I've removed the plate that's at the end of the motherboard so there is space to get tubes straight up from the bottom compartment, it all lines up nicely smile.gif

I'll probably throw up some crap quality phone pictures of my build when I can be bothered to take them.
Edited by TooTay - 7/17/16 at 7:49pm
post #1832 of 2685
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Originally Posted by InvaderJ View Post

The HEX is expensive, and a little louder than comparably performing air coolers, but both TweakTown and Tom's reviews show it's a good performer, and indicate zero issues with any sort of condensation. Why the beef? It seems like you can't beat its performance for the size, which is a consideration for cases like the BH2; not to mention its smaller size means easier maneuvering in and around the mobo, especially when compared to coolers like the (really great) Noctua C14S.

Figuring with a high performance fan in the front of a BH2, effectively lined up with and blasting air at the HEX, would make for a pretty good solution – based on reviews thus far.

I believe any "beef" is because in the past any cooler that used a peltier element ran into issues with condensation, general inefficiencies, and even worse... Ease of heat soak. Also, you're adding in several more things that can go wrong with the cooler, versus what is now considered a "traditional" heatpipe and fins with fan(s) setup, where the only way to cause an issue is either a sawzall or claw hammer - basically any kind of serious force against the heat pipes. Traditional coolers also only require power to the fans.

There's a reason why most benchers would rather rig up a custom evap setup or even just ye olde bucket of ice water over dealing with the hassles of a peltier element - they just can't handle what they're supposed to, and they use an insane amount of power.
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The only change I would make to the BH7 is allowing for mounting a single drive bay rotated 90 degrees. Getting my drives in was the hardest part of the build and I couldn't fit a 2nd drive cage due to proximity of the PSU anyway

Same here. A little double sided 3M and voila....

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Same here. A little double sided 3M and voila....
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'm basically doing the same thing, although I'll probably drill out the mounting holes. It still gives you enough room to have the accessory mount in place too.
post #1835 of 2685
This probably should be an option that CL includes in the case.
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@ the tec air cooler it really is just trash.

Tecs are highly inefficient. Also you still have to remove as much heat as you cool . The only plus is going sub ambient. Which is unlikely on air to put it nice. And imo useless on air.

Too bad, the Phononic HEX 2.0 is a nice little piece of hardware, in the case of this cooler it's 40W to be dissipated just because of the Peltier element. With more juice, the thing would cool nicely but with high condensation effect which, as you know, would kill all your precious electronics.Just stick with air cooler or water cooler.
there is nothing wrong with phase change but this is a joke. and done all wrong. they are cooling something that can and is cooled by air, with air , with no additional benefits passed on, unlike tec chllers ...
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The only change I would make to the BH7 is allowing for mounting a single drive bay rotated 90 degrees. Getting my drives in was the hardest part of the build and I couldn't fit a 2nd drive cage due to proximity of the PSU anyway

Could we get some more information or pictures of the proximity issues? Is there no room to orient the drives with their connectors against the wall instead of against the PSU? I wonder if drilling holes for the S5's 4xSSD caddy would be a better option. Maybe CaseLabs should produce a tray with both 3x3.5" caddy holes as well as 4x2.5" caddy holes. I don't know why they didn't do this in the first place, as who wants to be buying 3.5 to 2.5" adapters anyway (a waste of weight imo).

the whole point of htis series is to LOWER both cost and additional accessories to help them manage lead times .
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The HEX is expensive, and a little louder than comparably performing air coolers, but both TweakTown and Tom's reviews show it's a good performer, and indicate zero issues with any sort of condensation. Why the beef? It seems like you can't beat its performance for the size, which is a consideration for cases like the BH2; not to mention its smaller size means easier maneuvering in and around the mobo, especially when compared to coolers like the (really great) Noctua C14S.

Figuring with a high performance fan in the front of a BH2, effectively lined up with and blasting air at the HEX, would make for a pretty good solution – based on reviews thus far.

I believe any "beef" is because in the past any cooler that used a peltier element ran into issues with condensation, general inefficiencies, and even worse... Ease of heat soak. Also, you're adding in several more things that can go wrong with the cooler, versus what is now considered a "traditional" heatpipe and fins with fan(s) setup, where the only way to cause an issue is either a sawzall or claw hammer - basically any kind of serious force against the heat pipes. Traditional coolers also only require power to the fans.

There's a reason why most benchers would rather rig up a custom evap setup or even just ye olde bucket of ice water over dealing with the hassles of a peltier element - they just can't handle what they're supposed to, and they use an insane amount of power.

again to emphasize

  • no form of cooling is 100% efficient additional heat is ALWAYS generated which is wasted energy.
  • TECs are highly inefficient
  • you have to cool the back of the tec more then the tec cools again due to the higher heat.
  • people think we " make " cold/cooling. remember the laws of physics - you can not make or destroy energy. heat is energy. --- the way cooling works is we MOVE heat from "here" to "there"-- acs, chillers, fridges, freezers, tecs, all work the same in that way
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there is nothing wrong with phase change but this is a joke. and done all wrong. they are cooling something that can and is cooled by air, with air , with no additional benefits passed on, unlike tec chllers ...
the whole point of htis series is to LOWER both cost and additional accessories to help them manage lead times .
again to emphasize

  • no form of cooling is 100% efficient additional heat is ALWAYS generated which is wasted energy.
  • TECs are highly inefficient
  • you have to cool the back of the tec more then the tec cools again due to the higher heat.
  • people think we " make " cold/cooling. remember the laws of physics - you can not make or destroy energy. heat is energy. --- the way cooling works is we MOVE heat from "here" to "there"-- acs, chillers, fridges, freezers, tecs, all work the same in that way

The best cooling is the heat you don't produce. tongue.gif
post #1838 of 2685
While waiting for my new bh2, I Have been looking at case fans for this.

Im planning on doing a wc loop in there, right now I have a 970 hybrid, and the cpu will be either a 120mm radiator or using my h5sf.

Now, should all the fans be set to intake fans to pressurize the case, or should I use the front as intakes (through the radiators) and the tops as exhaust fans?




Also, is there a tracking system for orders? I only ordered on the 15th, but I want to make sure I have all the parts I need when I need them (no sooner, no later)
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Mounting the pump/res in the bottom is what I've decided to do as well, after getting the case you get a much better idea of what's possible and there really isn't anywhere else you can put it due to space constraints smile.gif

I'm using an EK D5 X Top 250 which is pretty much right on the limits of what you can fit in there both height and length wise. I've removed the plate that's at the end of the motherboard so there is space to get tubes straight up from the bottom compartment, it all lines up nicely smile.gif

I'll probably throw up some crap quality phone pictures of my build when I can be bothered to take them.

Please do!, i would have loved to have kept my pump where it is since it looks nice through the window, if only it wasn't for the noise from it.
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Sorry Jim (@Case Labs), but it's time. The cuts begin tonite!

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