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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

I think companies shouldn't release poorly designed edgy products in the first place. Especially when said company paid for exclusive rights to the latest and greatest sensor for a long time period. A wired G900 or a similar "safe" shaped mouse released on the day the G502 was pooped out would have killed off most of the entire mouse market. The tidal wave of 3360 mice that are releasing soon from competitors would all be mostly ignored.

And this is something you would WANT?
The entire mouse market killed off by a wired G900 as G502 killer mouse, leaving all the competition going bankrupt?
Competition is good for the user. All these new 3360 mice coming out is good for the user.
How much do you want to bet that Logitech decides to drop the hammer on these new mice, by silently releasing a wired G900 to rule them all?

First of all, Logitech already released a wired "safe mouse."
It's called the G303.

The only problem --and a very critical design flaw (a critical 0 failure) was the unsecured sensor. The G502 and G900's sensors are secured. The G300 had an unsecured vibrating sensor that only seems to be fixed on the newest revisions. But if we assume that the sensor mounting on the G303 never had a problem in the first place, then the G303 is that safe 3366 mouse you're referring to.

A wired G900 would be the next iteration. That may very well come, but you assume that Logitech is stupid. I think Logitech is a lot smarter than anyone gives them credit for. But people still make mistakes, and with the G303, a very big mistake was made with sensor mounting. If this flaw were not present, the G303 would have been the go-to mouse for G502 haters, until the wired G900 came out in a bombshell.
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post #1702 of 2273
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First of all, Logitech already released a wired "safe mouse."
It's called the G303.

I have nothing against people who do like it but the G302 and G303 aren't safe shapes at all. This isn't really debatable any longer now that time has passed and so many people have had a chance to try one of them and share their opinions.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1547835/do-you-like-logitech-g303s-shape/90

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Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post

And this is something you would WANT?
The entire mouse market killed off by a wired G900 as G502 killer mouse, leaving all the competition going bankrupt?
Competition is good for the user. All these new 3360 mice coming out is good for the user.
How much do you want to bet that Logitech decides to drop the hammer on these new mice, by silently releasing a wired G900 to rule them all?

I want the consumer to be able to buy a mouse without having to worry about awful firmware or half baked products. I don't care about which company it is. Unstable polling rate, extra smoothing, extremely weird tracking bugs, excessive button latency, no software to allow firmware updates etc. Logitech has been the safer choice when you consider all of those potential issues.
Edited by Derp - 6/19/16 at 8:39am
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Every company should compete with others and not themselves, so what if they ruin the sale of the other garbage they have made? Atleast they will earn as much when they sell double of the amounts of the new one they made. They are the ones earning the money after all.

And there is no such thing as the perfect mouse for everybody, so their ability to keep designing newer and better mice is always going to be an option if they start listening to what people really want.

Zowie didn't care about the EC when they made the FK, and didn't care about the FK when they made the ZA. They care about having a variety of shapes to choose from all with the same actual performance and this is how companies should approach their mice.

To hell with g502 and Rival 700. Give us something worth buying instead of worrying about the other garbage you've been designing.
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Zowie didn't care about the EC when they made the FK, and didn't care about the FK when they made the ZA. They care about having a variety of shapes to choose from all with the same actual performance and this is how companies should approach their mice.

Zowie? The company that refreshes its line up every couple of years without addressing well documented flaws directly related to the molds and manufacturing routines in use.

Really? That's the measuring stick?

No thanks!
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Zowie? The company that refreshes its line up every couple of years without addressing well documented flaws directly related to the molds and manufacturing routines in use.

Really? That's the measuring stick?

No thanks!

That's kinda irrelevant to what I wrote. I'm talking about Zowie's perspective of designing their mice, they don't put low tier sensors, they don't put heavy weights, gimmicks, weird shapes, whatever other companies have been doing lately, sure thing they have their flaws at manufacturing and marketing, but it doesn't take anything away from their mice being a variety of good shapes with good sensors and no chances taken.

If every company had this approach to their mice, we would have so many better mice on the market right now, suitable for everyone. I'd rather pick up any Zowie mouse than having to live with Rival 700, G502, G303 and the likes. They are simply making it difficult for the majority to like their mice, and if the reason is "to not kill off the other products we're selling" then it's simply pathetic.

You can hate on Zowie all you want, but it's the only company I respect for not throwing all this "20000 thousand DPI!!!!! STATTRAK COUNT!!!" "REVOLUTIONARY HEAVY LIFTING WEIGHTS INBUILT, TIME4GAINZ" on my face every single time.
Edited by Aymanb - 6/19/16 at 10:41am
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Zowie targets a particular sub-set of the gaming peripheral market.

It works for them as they are small enough to make profit focusing on competitive FPS gamers as target audience first and foremost.

If the companies that have big market share would follow your suggestion they would be out of business immediately.

There is a reason all companies come up with crazy billion color and million CPI supporting mice - because this is what the mass market buys (into).


Edited by e4stw00t - 6/19/16 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by e4stw00t View Post

Zowie targets a particular sub-set of the gaming peripheral market.
It works for them as they are small enough to make profit focusing on competitive FPS gamers as target audience first and foremost.

If the companies that have major parts of the market share would cater to those in similar fashion they would be out of business immediately.
There is a reason all companies come up with crazy billion color and million CPI supporting mice - because this is what the mass market buys (into).


I can accept the higher CPI and coloring, but these shapes and weights aswell as buttons and other stuff are simply disgusting.
post #1708 of 2273
Don't get me wrong personally I would prefer ...a more consistent assortment without all the gimmicks but unfortunately we are in the minority.

For as long as the mass market goes all in for the latest and greatest 17mio colors, 8k DPI Avago 9800 abomination we have to choose in between a fairly limited (in the bigger picture) amount of options.

Personally I had a couple of Zowie mice, all with distinct build quality issues. They fooled me more than once which is why I can't see myself buying one of their products going forward anymore.
post #1709 of 2273
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Originally Posted by e4stw00t View Post

Personally I had a couple of Zowie mice, all with distinct build quality issues. They fooled me more than once which is why I can't see myself buying one of their products going forward anymore.
I feel the same way. After spending over a year playing with an EC2-A (and recently an EC1-A), I can't help but think: "No nonsense, no gimmicks, yet some of the worst side buttons and scroll wheel I've ever used. And DPI switch is on the bottom? What genius thought that was intuitive?" thumb.gif
post #1710 of 2273
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Originally Posted by e4stw00t View Post

Don't get me wrong personally I would prefer ...a more consistent assortment without all the gimmicks but unfortunately we are in the minority.

For as long as the mass market goes all in for the latest and greatest 17mio colors, 8k DPI Avago 9800 abomination we have to choose in between a fairly limited (in the bigger picture) amount of options.

Personally I had a couple of Zowie mice, all with distinct build quality issues. They fooled me more than once which is why I can't see myself buying one of their products going forward anymore.

That's build quality issues, not the idea that is bad. I'm not some Zowie fanboy, I disagree with lots of things they do, but I still appreciate the fact that they offer so many different shapes all with the same hardware/sensors and no nonsense. If other companies had this approach, the world of mice would have been a much better place.

Instead we are in the era of "I like this sensor, buuuut this shape" "I like this shape, buuuut this sensor" "I like the shape and the sensor buuuut this weight and pulse monitor"

Just a shame really.
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