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Thanks ronnin ill give Rise of Nations a try thumb.gif

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Definitely good "forgotten" mentions, although only noobs have forgotten about Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate II. Planescape not only has unparalleled writing quality, but the amount of role-playing it offers is matched by very few, and all of those few had some of the same developers. redface.gif

Have you played Neverwinter Nights 2 and its expansions? Far more skill/feat/spell options than Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II and Pillars of Eternity combined, and Mask of the Betrayer is a spiritual successor to Planescape: Torment and is the next best thing as far as writing quality in games goes. It also has more role-playing in some respects than Planescape: Torment.

I didnt want to let those go unmentioned in a thread like this. smile.gif

I played NWN 2 probably in 2007 last, but I havent touched the expansions. Very good game, but I didnt get the same feel for the world that I got playing the BG's and Torment. Obviously that doesnt mean its not technically better or as good, its just how I felt at the time. I would like to give Mask of the Betrayer a go, thanks, its just the small matter of completing the rest my back log first!
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I didnt want to let those go unmentioned in a thread like this. smile.gif

I played NWN 2 probably in 2007 last, but I havent touched the expansions. Very good game, but I didnt get the same feel for the world that I got playing the BG's and Torment. Obviously that doesnt mean its not technically better or as good, its just how I felt at the time. I would like to give Mask of the Betrayer a go, thanks, its just the small matter of completing the rest my back log first!

You're going to want to put Mask of the Betrayer and Storm of Zehir above most if not all of your backlog if you really loved BG2 and Planescape: Torment. I think the reason NWN 2 didn't give you the same feel for the world is because it's far more linear than both BG2 and Planescape: Torment. There isn't much exploration and of course it doesn't have the distinct, otherworldly atmosphere of Planescape.

Mask of the Betrayer is about equally linear compared to NWN 2 but makes up for it on other areas like writing and role-playing and gameplay (most of it is epic level gameplay), while Storm of Zehir is more open than all of the above. Both are a breath of fresh air in that they aren't limited to the Sword Coast like so many other D&D RPGs. Mask of the Betrayer is in Rashemen while Storm of Zehir is in both Samarach and the Sword Coast (you can freely travel between the two).

Storm of Zehir is a create your own party RPG like Icewind Dale, but with soooooo much more going for it not to mention far more role-playing. It has a party dialogue system like you may have seen in Wasteland 2 and Divinity: Original Sin, but with all of the dialogue prompts from NWN 2 like Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Lore, and occasionally other ones like Spellcraft and what not. If you like micromanaging then this game has you covered better than any other RPG.
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You're going to want to put Mask of the Betrayer and Storm of Zehir above most if not all of your backlog if you really loved BG2 and Planescape: Torment. I think the reason NWN 2 didn't give you the same feel for the world is because it's far more linear than both BG2 and Planescape: Torment. There isn't much exploration and of course it doesn't have the distinct, otherworldly atmosphere of Planescape.

Mask of the Betrayer is about equally linear compared to NWN 2 but makes up for it on other areas like writing and role-playing and gameplay (most of it is epic level gameplay), while Storm of Zehir is more open than all of the above. Both are a breath of fresh air in that they aren't limited to the Sword Coast like so many other D&D RPGs. Mask of the Betrayer is in Rashemen while Storm of Zehir is in both Samarach and the Sword Coast (you can freely travel between the two).

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All I remember now about NWN2 is something about the King of Shadows and being a harborman(?). If I think of Torment, I can immediately reel off The Nameless One, Anna, Dakkon and the Githzerai and Githyanki, The Lady of Pain, Mort, The Sensates guild, Ravel and the maze, being a 'deader', Louis the Armoire, the Many-as-one etc even though I havent played it in a long time. It had ideas and characters that fascinated me. NWN2 not so much, I think that story and original ideas (at least original to me) and characters are more important to me, gameplay can be secondary and I know that puts me in a huge minority. redface.gif

I enjoyed Icewind Dale for what it was, but I prefer the slower general pace and more story based style of the other games so I think Mask of the Betrayer may be more for me. My problem is that I have less and less time to game, for boring life reasons its just not practical for me to have those 4 + hour sessions anymore most of the year and thats what I find necessary to get completely sucked into an RPG and its world. Ive done 90+ hours in Divinity and I'm somewhere near the end, I also have maybe 40-50 hours in Wasteland 2 over many months. I've really enjoyed both games in different ways, although the story of Divinity didnt interest me at all, the combat was fun enough that I can pick it up and play for a couple hours and not think about it too much. At some point without being able to binge on these games I sometimes lose touch with them and have to come back later when I have more time.

Enough about my life anyway, I appreciate the suggestions and info and I do think we have a similar taste in RPG's in general so I may well give them a try when I have some time, I've also been intending on going through BG2 again and now I'm thinking Torment before Tides of Numenera, comes out if I can. Too many games not enough time. smile.gif
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All I remember now about NWN2 is something about the King of Shadows and being a harborman(?). If I think of Torment, I can immediately reel off The Nameless One, Anna, Dakkon and the Githzerai and Githyanki, The Lady of Pain, Mort, The Sensates guild, Ravel and the maze, being a 'deader', Louis the Armoire, the Many-as-one etc even though I havent played it in a long time. It had ideas and characters that fascinated me. NWN2 not so much, I think that story and original ideas (at least original to me) and characters are more important to me, gameplay can be secondary and I know that puts me in a huge minority. redface.gif

I enjoyed Icewind Dale for what it was, but I prefer the slower general pace and more story based style of the other games so I think Mask of the Betrayer may be more for me. My problem is that I have less and less time to game, for boring life reasons its just not practical for me to have those 4 + hour sessions anymore most of the year and thats what I find necessary to get completely sucked into an RPG and its world. Ive done 90+ hours in Divinity and I'm somewhere near the end, I also have maybe 40-50 hours in Wasteland 2 over many months. I've really enjoyed both games in different ways, although the story of Divinity didnt interest me at all, the combat was fun enough that I can pick it up and play for a couple hours and not think about it too much. At some point without being able to binge on these games I sometimes lose touch with them and have to come back later when I have more time.

Enough about my life anyway, I appreciate the suggestions and info and I do think we have a similar taste in RPG's in general so I may well give them a try when I have some time, I've also been intending on going through BG2 again and now I'm thinking Torment before Tides of Numenera, comes out if I can. Too many games not enough time. smile.gif

I know what you mean. These RPGs demand persistent attention, and if you get into them then the hours will just disappear.

Planescape: Torment's story, plot, and characters are definitely more memorable than the original campaign of Neverwinter Nights 2 like you say. This is mostly due to its writing quality, although Neverwinter Nights 2 never tried to reach Planescape's level of greatness. It was meant to be corny and fun, quite the opposite of Planescape: Torment.

Like you mention, one of the things that distinguishes Planescape: Torment from perhaps every other RPG is that every single person you can have a conversation with is an actual distinct character with notable traits and behavior. There are no mere quest-giving bots, just characters, characters everywhere, and they are original. In what other game would you remember someone like Louis the Armoire, that damned stalker who injured my hand, or Ingress and her chattering teeth, or Reekwind whose odor I can still smell to this day, and dozens of others? A once in a lifetime game sadly.

Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer is the only released game that even tried to follow Planescape: Torment's example, and it does fairly well in comparison, having strengths of its own. These two games are on a completely different level than every other. That makes Torment: Tides of Numenera the second game to try and follow its example. I have no access to the early access build (I preordered it from inXile's website, in a bundle with Wasteland 2 for like $65 or so), although those who do say it is on the right path.

By the way, these might interest you:

http://www.nexusmods.com/neverwinter2/mods/794/?

https://www.facebook.com/BaldursGateReloaded/

http://www.nexusmods.com/neverwinter2/mods/31/?

All are completely faithful remakes, using all of the movies, voice acting, and music from the originals, and following the script exactly. Although Baldur's Gate: Reloaded also has some new (additional) soundtrack themes, and it even adds back all of the missing races, sub-races, spells, and feats from BG (not that there are many since NWN 2 already has almost everything by default).
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I know what you mean. These RPGs demand persistent attention, and if you get into them then the hours will just disappear.

Planescape: Torment's story, plot, and characters are definitely more memorable than the original campaign of Neverwinter Nights 2 like you say. This is mostly due to its writing quality, although Neverwinter Nights 2 never tried to reach Planescape's level of greatness. It was meant to be corny and fun, quite the opposite of Planescape: Torment.

Like you mention, one of the things that distinguishes Planescape: Torment from perhaps every other RPG is that every single person you can have a conversation with is an actual distinct character with notable traits and behavior. There are no mere quest-giving bots, just characters, characters everywhere, and they are original. In what other game would you remember someone like Louis the Armoire, that damned stalker who injured my hand, or Ingress and her chattering teeth, or Reekwind whose odor I can still smell to this day, and dozens of others? A once in a lifetime game sadly.

Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer is the only released game that even tried to follow Planescape: Torment's example, and it does fairly well in comparison, having strengths of its own. These two games are on a completely different level than every other. That makes Torment: Tides of Numenera the second game to try and follow its example. I have no access to the early access build (I preordered it from inXile's website, in a bundle with Wasteland 2 for like $65 or so), although those who do say it is on the right path.

By the way, these might interest you:

http://www.nexusmods.com/neverwinter2/mods/794/?

https://www.facebook.com/BaldursGateReloaded/

http://www.nexusmods.com/neverwinter2/mods/31/?

All are completely faithful remakes, using all of the movies, voice acting, and music from the originals, and following the script exactly. Although Baldur's Gate: Reloaded also has some new (additional) soundtrack themes, and it even adds back all of the missing races, sub-races, spells, and feats from BG (not that there are many since NWN 2 already has almost everything by default).

Nice links, thanks. I have high hopes for Tides of Numenera and plenty to keep me going in the mean time now thumb.gif

Another recommendation then, no one mentioned Dying Light yet either? I'm sure most have heard of it by now but I think it deserves to be on the list.

Despite my going on about story, it doesnt have a very good main one although its functional. Some of the side quests are quite interesting/amusing though. Things I did love are the parkour which gets better and better as you level up, and the combat which is almost always tense and although you feel powerful by the end its still quite possible to get overwhelmed by basic zombies alone if youre not careful and just wade in. You have to think a bit, use skills, learn to take the high ground when you can, craft different tonics and objects for different situations, and at the start really dont go out at night time. I still pop back into the game for an hour run around occasionally to try and get an achievement, and thats something I rarely do with these type of games.

Also @iARDAs I noticed you put This War of Mine under Action and adventure, hope I'm not being too nitpicky if I say that its more of a strategy game or point and click maybe? Its a tough one I know because it has base building kind of as well as the scavenging missions at night which can be very tense. I just think if people are looking in action and adventure for recommendations its not This War of Mine theyre looking for smile.gif
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If you have an addictive personality then do not play FACTORIO! (By that I mean totally do! thumb.gif)

Someone mentioned it before but didn't do it justice by just including it in a long list of other games. Hard to explain the draw to it but it has a certain complexity about it that is very rewarding. It can seem a bit overwhelming at times but that just makes it all the more satisfying when things start coming together.

I remember watching a tutorial video by someone and he went on to say that he wakes up in the night thinking of ways to improve his factories and i thought "steady on mate, it's only a game" but, alas, I am now inflicted with the same night time tribulations.

There's much more to it than the name suggests.

Anyway. I'm sure fans of games like SimCity, Minecraft, Terraria, etc. are going to be fans of this. There's a demo out on Steam. The game is still in Early Access and it's already fantastic. I'm pretty sure it's one of the most positively reviewed games on Steam, if not the highest!

Check it out:


Link: FACTORIO
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Yeah This war of mine is tricky to categorize. I usually look at wikipedia or steam page to decide on the game's category.

Wikipedia says Action Adventure
Wikia says war survival
Steam says Survival, Atmospehric, Crafting, Simulation, Strategy.

If I put it under Strategy, well there are 3 categories on the OP. 4X Strategy, Real Time Strategy, Turn Based Strategy. Real Time Strategy is a better fit I guess?

@Jokah

Factorio moves the first place in RTS Genre with two votes. thumb.gif

Do you believe it is a RTS game or a City Building game though? Again I looked at wikipedia and steam to get the category right but sometimes they are off.
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@Slink3Slyde

Yeah This war of mine is tricky to categorize. I usually look at wikipedia or steam page to decide on the game's category.

Wikipedia says Action Adventure
Wikia says war survival
Steam says Survival, Atmospehric, Crafting, Simulation, Strategy.

If I put it under Strategy, well there are 3 categories on the OP. 4X Strategy, Real Time Strategy, Turn Based Strategy. Real Time Strategy is a better fit I guess?

I think by a process of elimination RTS is maybe the best fit as well, unless it has its own 'War survival simulation' category which I dont think there will be too many other games in a hurry.
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I'm reporting in with my daily recommendation again (I've missed a few, but I'm on a skiing trip at the moment).

Today's recommendation is The Banner Saga. I'm a sucker for games with great story and atmosphere, and this one has both to spare. It's a rather short game, but one I've found myself going back to play another 2 times since buying it.

Since I've been slacking with the recommendations, if you'd like a game with bit more flash and shiny stuff, I'll happily recommend Warframe. It's gotten quite a bit of publicity over the years, but it's still an indie game, and some people might not have heard of it yet. Steam tells me it's the game I've spent the most time on in my entire library, which by itself is a standout recommendation. Not all of that time was actually spent playing - you tend to spend quite a bit of time in your own little hub area for various reasons, but I've certainly enjoyed my time with it. If does take some time to really get into it, I'd recommend at least playing the first few hours with a friend. Once you hit your stride in the game though, it's a game that makes it amazingly fun to just be able to log in and play a couple of games. The game doesn't do the best job of explaining itself at the start, so I'd definitely have a look at the wiki if there's something you're stuck on. It's worth the effort!
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ASUS PG279Q Dell UltraSharp UP2716D Das Keyboard Professional 4 Corsair HX1200i 
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