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I recently Installed a new GPU in my rig, as my old GPU would constantly crash (screen would go blank for 3-5 seconds, then it would come back and have a message telling my the drivers crashed). I was eventually able to circumvent this issue by underclocking the GPU a bit, and it would run stably without issues. After installing my new GPU everything seemed to be going great, I could now run all the games/apps that would cause my computer to crash with the old card.

Unfortunately I now have an even bigger problem. Whereas the old card would crash under mid to high load, and then the screen would come back after a few seconds (although some games would crash completely in the process), now the computer randomly shuts down completely, even when it's not under any load.

I ran the setup for a couple days before the crashing started. The first few times it happened immediately after trying to use Wake on LAN. Basically if the computer was asleep and I sent the Wake on LAN signal, it would either wake the system and be fine, or it wouldn't wake the system at all, and after manually waking the system it would randomly shut down. I figured I could avoid this by just not using Wake on LAN as it wasn't that important to have that working, and for a couple days, it worked fine with no issues.

Then a day or two ago the computer started shutting down in the middle of me playing games. Every time I would play GTA 5 at some point or another, my whole computer would just shut down mid-game. That said, it was at least only crashing while playing a demanding game like GTA 5. Now it has started crashing while playing games that aren't as demanding such as CS:GO, which has made competitive matchmaking hell for me.

When the first GPU started crashing, I got a few people suggesting that it was my PSU, so I went ahead and bought an overkill PSU for my rig (620w -> 850w), but I quickly found out that it didn't fix the issue. But now it seems as though the new PSU is failing, since when it crashes, my CPU and GPU temps are fine.

I was able to play CS:GO for about 15min before it finally shut down completely the first time, and upon booting up and re-joining the game it instantly crashed again (within a second or two).

So you guys got any ideas before I RMA the PSU? I should also note that the MAX power my PSU ever pulls from the wall is only 450w.

EDIT: should also note that the case of the PSU is about as warm as the heatsink on my GPU after it crashes, not sure if that's normal or not.
EDIT2: After the computer crashes, it attempts to restart, and will fail to do so anywhere from once to several times before booting correctly.
Edited by Oleh - 3/26/16 at 4:51pm
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"As warm"? Does this mean it's super hot, or just kinda warm but not hot at all?

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"As warm"? Does this mean it's super hot, or just kinda warm but not hot at all?

Just a bit warm to the touch, defiantly not super hot.
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Just a bit warm to the touch, defiantly not super hot.

 

Oh, well that's normal. I was worried it was super hot like the back of a video card can sometimes get.

 

I'm not sure I'd blame the PSU because it's brand new and it's pretty high-end. What are the chances it was the PSU both times? It's gotta be something else. If it is power-related, then it could even be the power coming out of the wall outlet.

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Oh, well that's normal. I was worried it was super hot like the back of a video card can sometimes get.

I'm not sure I'd blame the PSU because it's brand new and it's pretty high-end. What are the chances it was the PSU both times? It's gotta be something else. If it is power-related, then it could even be the power coming out of the wall outlet.

Well the first time it wasn't the PSU at all, but the GPU. I only replaced it because it was a possible problem and I wanted a future proof my PSU for upgrades. This time around it actually seems to be an issue with the PSU. Also, it's not plugged into the wall, I use a 900W/1500VA Pure Sine wave UPS.
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Well the first time it wasn't the PSU at all, but the GPU. I only replaced it because it was a possible problem and I wanted a future proof my PSU for upgrades. This time around it actually seems to be an issue with the PSU. Also, it's not plugged into the wall, I use a 900W/1500VA Pure Sine wave UPS.

 

Yeah, but that's plugged into the wall. Try this, just because it'll be relatively very easy:

 

Plug directly into the wall and use the computer for a while to see how it goes. If the problem persists, then switch to a different outlet that is known to be on a different circuit. This will be the difficult part because usually a different circuit is far away. :/ Still, it would be easier than trying to replace computer parts and then you could know if it's the power coming out of that outlet or if it's the UPS - or neither. In other words, it's time begin troubleshooting bit by bit in layers like this (unless you'd prefer to jump to the conclusion that it's the PSU without really doing any troubleshooting to find out if it really is).


Edited by TwoCables - 3/26/16 at 5:58pm
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Yeah, but that's plugged into the wall. Try this, just because it'll be relatively very easy:

Plug directly into the wall and use the computer for a while to see how it goes. If the problem persists, then switch to a different outlet that is known to be on a different circuit. This will be the difficult part because usually a different circuit is far away. :/ Still, it would be easier than trying to replace computer parts and then you could know if it's the power coming out of that outlet or if it's the UPS - or neither. In other words, it's time begin troubleshooting bit by bit in layers like this (unless you'd prefer to jump to the conclusion that it's the PSU without really doing any troubleshooting to find out if it really is).

But that's the thing, if there is an issue with the outlet, my UPS would correct it (The power from the outlet only goes toward charging the battery and the battery itself runs the computer with a pure sine wave at 120v). That said, I will try to see if it might be an issue with the UPS itself. Will also try to borrow another PSU from a friend and see if that works. Testing an outlet on another circuit is almost completely out of the question, as all the outlets in my room run off of the same one and there is no way my whole setup is going downstairs for the time being.
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