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Are the fans choked if you place them outside the structure without modding the front panel?
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At 1850rpm, yes. Lower RPMs might not be a big problem. Unfortunately I didn't do any serious testing besides feeling the air from behind the radiator with the front panel removed vs installed. With the front panel installed I felt almost no air movement. You will need to do some slight modifications to the front panel anyway to get it to work with front mounted fans. Basically there are support gussets on the plastic posts that attach the front panel to the case. Some of these gussets contact the fans and need to be removed. You can cut them off with a razor blade though so no big deal.
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There is no issue at all on the front side of the motherboard. On the back side there are some components that prevent the rubber gasket from laying flat. You could either trim the gasket a bit or just lay it over the components like I did and it's fine. No clearance issues with any metal components on either side of the mobo.

OK thanks for the clarification! ...dunno what to say - should have asked you first rather than EK smile.gif Apologies for this question, but have you made sure that there is no contact with the capacitors on the left of the socket (such placing a bit of TIM on them and check if there is transfer to the block? It's not that I don't trust you but I cannot understand why the company would claim compatibility issues if they weren't 101% sure that there are as such claims only leads to lost sales.

I mean EK themselves encouraged me to get another block!! I wanted this block so badly that I even considered changing mobo at first but instead spent a few more days looking for alternative CPU blocks. Don't take me wrong - I thought, and now even more, very highly of them and they are very professional and honest and I very much appreciated it. They even bothered exchanged pics of the problematic components on the mobo and what I would need to modify from the supremacy's copper plate to make it fit! It is just a matter of few mms they said but suggested not to tamper with components and to look for another block. They also include a note on their website on this specific mobo and compatibility issues with their block.....

Anyways...thanks for your time...I will keep you posted on the build once I get on with the project
post #24 of 49
This is looking awesome. I especially love the idea of mounting the front fans on the exterior of the chassis. It's gotten a lot of us talking up here at the FDNA office.

Do you think it'd be a worthwhile addition to put a moduvent in the front panel to support this configuration out of the box?

Would having a seam in the front panel ruin the look for any of you guys, or would it be worth the extra flexibility?
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In my humble opinion it would both a nice and easy solution to make like a perforated front panel like Corsair did with their Obsidian 750D Airflow edition (which I owned) smile.gif

Otherwise a Moduvent would be a great idea, but once removed the front should be able to maintain the sleek look typical of Fractal Define series IMHO
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OK thanks for the clarification! ...dunno what to say - should have asked you first rather than EK smile.gif Apologies for this question, but have you made sure that there is no contact with the capacitors on the left of the socket (such placing a bit of TIM on them and check if there is transfer to the block? It's not that I don't trust you but I cannot understand why the company would claim compatibility issues if they weren't 101% sure that there are as such claims only leads to lost sales.

I mean EK themselves encouraged me to get another block!! I wanted this block so badly that I even considered changing mobo at first but instead spent a few more days looking for alternative CPU blocks. Don't take me wrong - I thought, and now even more, very highly of them and they are very professional and honest and I very much appreciated it. They even bothered exchanged pics of the problematic components on the mobo and what I would need to modify from the supremacy's copper plate to make it fit! It is just a matter of few mms they said but suggested not to tamper with components and to look for another block. They also include a note on their website on this specific mobo and compatibility issues with their block.....

Anyways...thanks for your time...I will keep you posted on the build once I get on with the project

Are you talking about these? No they don't hit anything, and there is way more room between the top of the caps and the bracket than the pic would have you believe.



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This is looking awesome. I especially love the idea of mounting the front fans on the exterior of the chassis. It's gotten a lot of us talking up here at the FDNA office.

Do you think it'd be a worthwhile addition to put a moduvent in the front panel to support this configuration out of the box?

Would having a seam in the front panel ruin the look for any of you guys, or would it be worth the extra flexibility?

Hi Fractal,

I agree with marn3us to go with a perforated front panel. The moduvent looks "incomplete" when the panel is removed because of the indentation, in my opinion. A flush, perforated panel would be ideal, even if sold separately for extra money. I spent $40 for a bitspower radguard as my solution, would have been happy to give you guys money for a new front panel instead.
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Are you talking about these? No they don't hit anything, and there is way more room between the top of the caps and the bracket than the pic would have you believe.


Hi,

Yes those are the capacitors which are meant to interfere with the Supremacy block. Their point was not about touching the bracket right on top, but the copper block on the side which is lower than the bracket and extends over the socket, and presumably close enough to these capacitors to make contact by a few mm, 1.5 - 2mm they said. Apparently, these capacitors are located within what the Intel's 'reference design' for this socket is considered as the 'exclusion' zone.

Thanks
Edited by Myst1c - 7/13/16 at 8:26am
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Hi Fractal,

I agree with marn3us to go with a perforated front panel. The moduvent looks "incomplete" when the panel is removed because of the indentation, in my opinion. A flush, perforated panel would be ideal, even if sold separately for extra money. I spent $40 for a bitspower radguard as my solution, would have been happy to give you guys money for a new front panel instead.

That'd certainly be the most elegant solution but I'd be concerned for those who buy the Nano S for the sound dampening, which is really one the main defining traits of the Define series. They'd no longer have the option to run silent if we opened up the front without adding a moduvent.

This does bring up another point to think on though: Maybe there's something we could do differently to make the moduvent openings more attractive with the panels removed. No reason it can't look great both ways.
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That'd certainly be the most elegant solution but I'd be concerned for those who buy the Nano S for the sound dampening, which is really one the main defining traits of the Define series. They'd no longer have the option to run silent if we opened up the front without adding a moduvent.

This does bring up another point to think on though: Maybe there's something we could do differently to make the moduvent openings more attractive with the panels removed. No reason it can't look great both ways.

+1

Mine was just a suggestion to make it look clean, but I was forgetting the sound dampening part which is really important as well.

I agree that the aestethics of the fan grille with moduvent removed is not on par with the overall elegant and sleek look of Define cases (which I love), but right now I can't think of a solution to have looks, airflow and silence (perforated front à-la-Corsair was my best proposal) biggrin.gif

Anyways, if you guys over at FDNA wanted some feedback on your ideas to "improve" the Nano S (which is already great) I would be more than happy to help
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Yes those are the capacitors which are meant to interfere with the Supremacy block. Their point was not about touching the bracket right on top, but the copper block on the side which is lower than the bracket and extends over the socket, and presumably close enough to these capacitors to make contact by a few mm, 1.5 - 2mm they said. Apparently, these capacitors are located within what the Intel's 'reference design' for this socket is considered as the 'exclusion' zone.

Thanks

Yes I understand the point about them making contact with the base. I just wanted to point out that they also clear the bracket because in the pic it looks like it might rest on them. Either way I did not notice any contact what so ever. No I did not put paste on them to see if they made contact. I just installed the block and didn't notice any obstructions even when I wiggled the block around to spread the thermal paste.

EK is probably taking an abundance of caution and it makes sense. They would rather lose a sale then have you get the block, say it doesn't fit, then send it back. Because they would lose the sale anyway and also waste a lot of time dealing with you.

To be honest I don't even think the caps are taller than the cpu retention bracket. Add in the extra height of the IHS and you clear by a mile. Asus is not dumb, you can see that they used taller caps on the ATX version, and shorter caps on the mITX.




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That'd certainly be the most elegant solution but I'd be concerned for those who buy the Nano S for the sound dampening, which is really one the main defining traits of the Define series. They'd no longer have the option to run silent if we opened up the front without adding a moduvent.

This does bring up another point to think on though: Maybe there's something we could do differently to make the moduvent openings more attractive with the panels removed. No reason it can't look great both ways.

Yea ultimately this will effect a very small fraction of the nano s owners. I could have done a 35mm radiator with fans mounted inside and still had enough room, temps would probably be less than 5c different. Was my choice to copy the youtube build with a thick radiator. Anyway you have a great product here especially for the price and I honestly have zero complaints.
Edited by plant - 7/14/16 at 4:46am
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