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Like anyone owns a Blackberry these days.

Companies or council who has a bad tech time and a tight budget haha

Too many unfortunately
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Wasn't BB10 actually more secure than Android or iOS? At least before this.
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post #43 of 51
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No person nor does any group have power over morals. You misread what I said.

When it comes to immoral actions Im talking about situations like this:

Think about all those Cyber Bullies who target kids and caused the eventual suicide.

Think about some pedophile taking pics of kids at a park with his phone and trading them to other pedophiles online.

Think about some dude passing around nudes of female co-worker with his other male co-workers.

Think of a bunch of homophobes texting hateful stuff between themselves about a gay co-worker.

They should be outed and they should be penalized for their actions. They are only protected by their privacy. I say screw their privacy, we deserve to know a person's true face. Its the only way they can be rehabilitated.

I don't particularly care where you're from, but where I'm from we as citizens (and apparently noncitizens) are afforded a measure of privacy from our government unless the government can articulate probable cause that you are committing a crime. We are not all denied privacy so that anyone who commits a crime can be outed. The government is ostensibly beholden to us and must prove why it should violate our rights; it's not incumbent on the citizenry to prove whether or not they committed a crime.

Yes, it means bad guys will sometimes get away. It also means some things will be incredibly hard or impossible to actually enforce. At the onset of the country and frequently since we have decided that it's better for bad guys to get away than good guys to be wrongfully denied their natural rights to life and liberty.

Want to bust up the sharing of kiddy porn? Do good investigative homework and infiltrate their supposedly safe communities. Want to stop that dude passing around nudes of his female coworker? Be the man who takes that straight to the victim coworker, be on her side, and get that ******* fired and likely sued. Issue with homophobes texting hateful stuff between themselves? Tough. In a world of over 6B people there will be those who say things you don't agree with and so long as what they are saying does constitute harm (via defamation, false alarms, etc.) then you'll have to learn to live with it, raise your kids to be better than that, and move on. I have coworkers I can't stand and who have some moral positions I don't remotely agree with but that's no right to have their rights of expected privacy violated.
    
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Seriously the only people who should be concerned are people who do shady/illegal stuff.
That's not how Democracy works!

Also, the Nazi's did that to THEIR OWN PEOPLE. And with the help of the then IBM, hundreds of thousands of innocent people were condemned as communist and would be shot on sight. There are pictures of this happening to 12 year old boys by guys in Nazi uniforms in front of the public.

I could grow a portfolio on anyone and use it at any point to draw delusional correlations to peoples political beliefs, and then subjugate and oppress and destroy them because of their beliefs; or my belief that they are out to get me, because I'm paranoid, delusional and in a high place..

This is not a thought, this is actual history!
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Government must love tapping into my phone and seeing all the Boom Beach I play, Fallout vids I watch or Anime! Those texts from Grandma sure have some good Intel!

Seriously the only people who should be concerned are people who do shady/illegal stuff. Which I am 100% for the government breaching their privacy to catch and incriminate.

The flip side is those people who do immoral stuff that they don't want people finding out about. They should be spied on as well because nothing is worse than a fake person. Pretending to be someone they are not.

What are you five? Seeing that you are expressing your opinion, I find it appropriate to express mine.

In my opinion, "those people" that say they have nothing to hide or fear from total surveillance are either clinically stupid or trolls. Obviously it can be both.
post #46 of 51
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No person nor does any group have power over morals. You misread what I said.

When it comes to immoral actions Im talking about situations like this:

Think about all those Cyber Bullies who target kids and caused the eventual suicide.

Think about some pedophile taking pics of kids at a park with his phone and trading them to other pedophiles online.

Think about some dude passing around nudes of female co-worker with his other male co-workers.

Think of a bunch of homophobes texting hateful stuff between themselves about a gay co-worker.

They should be outed and they should be penalized for their actions. They are only protected by their privacy. I say screw their privacy, we deserve to know a person's true face. Its the only way they can be rehabilitated.

That logic only really applies if people are socially responsible and not essentially encouraged to be sociopaths or otherwise corrupt humans.

Case and point: Steven Avery's crime in 1985 was railroaded, evidence was ignored and when evidence to the contrary came to light it was burried for YEARS by law enforcement - worse yet is when new evidence came to light it was burried intentionally. Privacy is an insulator which protects people from, for example, law enforcement bias...as rare as that may be.
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Seriously the only people who should be concerned are people who do shady/illegal stuff. Which I am 100% for the government breaching their privacy to catch and incriminate.

Nope. Governments and Law Enforcement usually need better reasons than that to spy on someone specific. They usually need a warrant first, otherwise they have no right to anyone's private information regardless of what you think.
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The flip side is those people who do immoral stuff that they don't want people finding out about. They should be spied on as well because nothing is worse than a fake person. Pretending to be someone they are not.

"nothing is worse than a fake person"

Meanwhile we all are on this very forum with an "anonymous" made-up username... just like you. How ironic. Not to mention, they are probably tracking you as well as any wrongdoers. See the fallacy in your argument? You cannot have one group be spied upon and then have another group be immune from said spying.
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I have nothing to hide from the government. It would be excruciatingly boring to spy on me. Plus they already found out all they need to know when they did my 10 year background check for my security clearance.
I don't need power over morals. All of what I listed was already immoral. Only those who are morally bankrupt would find those as okay activities.

Morals are relative. What you consider immoral, I might not. What you consider moral, others might not. What you are essentially saying is "people who don't agree with me on every issue must be spied on and outed."

I am glad you have no power in the world.
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post #49 of 51
Hat tip to beerpowered. Just about everyone's post here is regarding his.

That being said, no thanks, I value my privacy. It's like having something and not needing it vs needing something and not having it.
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No person nor does any group have power over morals. You misread what I said.

When it comes to immoral actions Im talking about situations like this:

Think about all those Cyber Bullies who target kids and caused the eventual suicide.
What you're talking about, here, is limiting freedom of speech under threat of force for children. Suicide is a complex issue and is not caused by cyber bullies. The public school system and internet access are both problems for a child with severe depression. Home schooling and limited internet access along with treatment will help with the inevitable stream of depressive children that are at risk for suicide.
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Think about some pedophile taking pics of kids at a park with his phone and trading them to other pedophiles online.
This is already illegal. If a pedophile lures a child into this type of situation, the parents will often find out about it. I experienced an encounter with one of these types myself, as a kid. He asked us to take some pictures; one of us wanted to do it, the others convinced him not to and we all ended up running home. We told our parents, they called the police, they found the guy with the description and we confirmed it. We were 6 years old and had been exposed to programming in school to teach us what to do in that type of situation. Much more effective than surveilling the whole nation, I'd say.
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Think about some dude passing around nudes of female co-worker with his other male co-workers.
Not illegal? Don't take nude pictures of yourself and send them to people in the office. Adults need to learn to be adults. My tax dollars and my privacy are worth something to me. I shouldn't have to forfeit either, for people who are irresponsible about forfeiting theirs.
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Think of a bunch of homophobes texting hateful stuff between themselves about a gay co-worker.
Think of anyone saying hateful things about anyone. They always attack the most provocative, amusing, or controversial aspect of a person's character. Freedom of speech, again, is pretty valuable. You can't expect the government to seek out and steal the freedoms of people who have done nothing to infringe upon the freedom of someone else.
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They should be outed and they should be penalized for their actions. They are only protected by their privacy. I say screw their privacy, we deserve to know a person's true face. Its the only way they can be rehabilitated.
Words and thoughts are where people need freedom. If you're unable to settle or even establish your differences with use of words, then you are limited to doing it physically or mentally. We don't have ESP quite yet, so words are generally the best place for interaction. You cannot be harmed by words unless you are willing to allow yourself to be harmed by words. "Sticks or stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me". I was taught this in school too, along with how to identify and escape from pedophiles. I was bullied in school, sometimes I was the bully, but I generally wouldn't use those sticks or stones and I learned how to deal with unreasonable people through words from a young age. Without that freedom, I wouldn't be half of what I am today.

You can't strip away privacy because it leads you down a road where you'll be tempted to strip away free speech. You're well-down that road, along with many in this generation. What happens when an entire generation loses free speech? Take a look at history, my friend. This is something else my generation learned about in school, from history, that I'm willing to bet you didn't.

I'd suggest looking into it.
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