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You still don't get it? In order to infect someone with proactive security, you must, according to what he has installed, bypass : Chrome's sandbox (which is probable, since malware writers want that very much for popularity), then Sandboxie's sandbox (for which you need to find another exploit), then Shadow Defender. So if you browse the internet with these 2, you need THREE expoits to be able to infect that guy. Now, suppose, that someone is running another combination. Like Sandboxie and Comodo firewall. You need to bypass Chrome' sandbox, then escape from Sandboxie and finally escape from Comodo's HIPS and virtual execution.

Can you cite me any live malware that has ever done that? Only one. In case you didn't realize, those videos i posted, are with the malware already delivered sitting on your harddisk. Meaning, as if it had already escaped your browser and the reviewer executes them by hand. Can't get any better than that. But so that you understand, i also posted one with drive-by download (the exploit), which is what your friends were saying.

Comodo's firewall alone with both the HIPS and the virtualization enabled, can be enough for 99,9% of malware and i too generous, but i always leave a percentage of failure. A classical HIPS will ASK you for any NEW executable on your PC, will ASK you for any attempt of memory patching/registry alteration/process injection and then it's up to you to figure out that you have to answer "block" or not.

There is no 100%, ever bypassable software. But those targeted are the widespread ones and the more layers you have, the more improbable becomes to be infected. Unless the NSA is after you, 2 layers of proactive programs will make you impenetrable to anything. I usually run 3 with more on demand, according to the occasion.

Now you talk about Sandboxie's sandbox and Shadow Defender. How about extra things you will keep adding? You said you just use Chrome and block incoming connections, I just show you chrome sandbox can be passed through and you would be hacked.
end of story and your solution is not safe.
Edited by espn - 5/24/16 at 11:20am
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Now you talk about Sandboxie's sandbox. How about extra thing you will keep adding?

Have been reading anytning? What do you think Sandboxie is??? Or, why do you think i would list Sandboxie or Shadow Defender if i relied on Chrome? biggrin.gif I would be a moron to rely only on the sandbox of one of the most common browsers.

Amazing logic...

Sandboxie is a sort of localized sandbox, where you can run any program or your browser simply.
Shadow Defender is like a biiiig sandbox, where you run your entire PC.

How many times must i post the same link???? 10? (click the link in the link)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1598752/inforworld-its-time-for-microsoft-to-fix-the-windows-7-update-slowdowns/110#post_25188102

I suppose i would shock you, if now "out of the blue" i mentioned Voodoo shield? Right, always in that link.

Anyway, enough is enough for me. Happy browsing.
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For the history, the geat JPEG vulnerability that guy Paul mentions in the "other forum" was the "WMF exploit".

"Viewing an infected image file using some vulnerable image-viewing programs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Metafile_vulnerability

Sandboxie was protecting from it, since day 0 already (it didn't need to be patched, like Windows did).

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/will-sandboxie-protect-against-wmf-exploit.114291/#post-649824


This is the difference between PROactive vs REactive (antivirus + patches) defense.

So much for the great threat, for me, poor no patch user... biggrin.gif
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post #154 of 162
Another example of REACTIVE defense (this hole exists since Win95 and is only patched now).
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BadTunnel Bug Hijacks Network Traffic, Affects All Windows Versions

Microsoft fixed BadTunnel bug this past Patch Tuesday

The research of Yang Yu, founder of Tencent's Xuanwu Lab, has helped Microsoft patch a severe security issue in its implementation of the NetBIOS protocol that affected all Windows versions ever released.

Yu says the attacker can leverage this vulnerability to pass as a WPAD or ISATAP server and redirect all the victim's network traffic through a point controlled by the attacker.

By network traffic, Yu refers to all traffic, not just Web HTTP and HTTPS. This includes OS updates, software upgrades, Certificate Revocation List updates via Microsoft's Crypto API, and other OS maintenance operations.

Firewalls won't stop BadTunnel
"It does not require the attacker [to] reside in the same network," Yu writes in a technical preview offered to Softpedia. "The attack can even succeed when there are firewall and NAT devices in between."

The reason why firewalls won't stop the attack is because they are intentionally designed to open port 137 used for NetBIOS name discovery requests.

The attack, named BadTunnel, doesn't exploit any weaknesses in the protocol itself, but only how Microsoft implemented the NetBIOS in its OS.

All that's needed is for some simple social engineering. The attacker only needs to convince a user to access a file URI or UNC path (links and shortcuts in applications). Yu says an attacker can exploit BadTunnel via Internet Explorer, Edge, Office, and other applications that support URI and UNC paths. Exploitation is not limited to software, and the attack also be performed from a USB flash drive or a Web server.

Spoofing NetBIOS requests to pass as a WAPD or ISATAP server
The attacker embeds URI and UNC paths that link back to his device. The vulnerability, CVE-2016-3213, is a cross-network NetBIOS spoofing attack that allows an attacker to intercept NetBIOS requests sent from the victim to his host.

Exploitation allows the attacker to respond to NetBIOS name requests and masquerade as a WPAD or ISATAP server.

NetBIOS is a standard protocol found in many operating systems that was developed to allow computers to talk over a local network. WAPD stands for Web Proxy Auto-Discovery and is a protocol used to broadcast common proxy configurations across a network. ISATAP stands for Intra-Site Automatic Tunnel Addressing Protocol, and is an IPv4-IPv6 transition mechanism.

BadTunnel attacks can persist indefinitely
Once the attacker has established himself as a valid WAPD or ISATAP server, Yu says there are different methods through which he can maintain persistence, even after the WAPD / ISATAP cache expires.

Yu says that attackers that are in control of someone's HTTP traffic can periodically redirect users, without their knowledge, to tainted URI or UNC paths that lead back to the attacker's host, reinitiating the attack. This is just one of the methods through which an attacker is left in a permanent MitM position.

As mentioned above, the issues reside in how Windows operating systems deal with NetBIOS hostname discovery requests. Microsoft said in MS16-077 that it corrected "how Windows handles proxy discovery."

Microsoft patches issue, many operating systems remain vulnerable
Neither Yu nor Microsoft were aware of any exploits using this vulnerability. To be on the safe side, users should update as soon as possible.

Exploitation points remain open for non-supported Windows operating systems such as XP, Windows Server 2003, and others, for which patches have not been released. For these operating systems, and for those that can be updated just yet, system administrators should disable NetBIOS.

Yu is scheduled to present more details on this bug at this year's Black Hat USA security conference. The name of his presentation is "BadTunnel: How Do I Get Big Brother Power?"

Yu highlighted that in the past, there have been many other similar WAPD hijacking attacks, in 1999, 2007, and in 2012 with the Flame worm.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/badtunnel-bug-hijacks-network-traffic-affects-all-windows-versions-505294.shtml



Vs proactive:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1598752/inforworld-its-time-for-microsoft-to-fix-the-windows-7-update-slowdowns/120#post_25189342





http://www.overclock.net/t/1598752/inforworld-its-time-for-microsoft-to-fix-the-windows-7-update-slowdowns/120#post_25189732

Which are the netbios ports? 137-139
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc940063.aspx


In Windows, if you have either set a firewall to block NetBIOS or disabled the TCP/IP Netbios helper service, you were immune for the last 25 years, while MS was asleep and the hole open. It is also a good example of why you shouldn't use the windows firewall.


So, once more, i didn't get the patch on Tuesday and i was immune since XP era against this 25 year hole, because i didn't wait for the MS patch. Because ever since XP, i both block Netbios ports in firewall and disable the Netbios service, just in case. Poor me... rolleyes.gif
Edited by Undervolter - 6/15/16 at 4:00pm
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So that's why SVCHOST is burning up my older computer's Athlon 64 processor at 100% all the time with updates, and now it's trying to update me to windows 10 and it's incompatible anyway. For a while it was normal, if the processor isn't being burned out it runs smooth, for a single core.
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lol the windows updater still takes more than a hour to scan
will they ever fix this?
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If you want to completely rid yourself of windows update once and for all,

open command prompt as administrator and type "sc delete wuauserv" and all your windows update problems will be solved.

WARNING: this has big time consequences though. You will no longer be able to install any updates at all. As far as I know it's not reversible

I have had issues with windows not being able to verify driver signatures after doing this.

However it works great for my security DVR computer, frees up cpu time and it doesn't try to shut down and restart all the time
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lol the windows updater still takes more than a hour to scan
will they ever fix this?
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The reason it takes so long is because it's probably cataloguing every ounce (bit) of data on your hard drive, before it decides to tell you what needs updating. Kidding... I think?

Oh, M$, I love you... like a battered girl suffering from Stockholm syndrome kind of love and want to try to change you!

Windows is like the tatted up Chad that just does whatever he/it feels like and his/its whipped bish/userbase will put up with it, because in their minds they think there's no alternative and they're stuck with 'im. But instead of good sex and a handsome face, it's extra frames and games with that awesome Metro(sexual) UI. Alright, that's enough alcohol for me tonight.
post #159 of 162
windows 10 update is much faster. May it is intentional so people would feel like upgrade to windows 10 is even faster than update win7
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Time to build a custom install with all current updates already slipped in...
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